Satan sent Jesus

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

God appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, while he was fasting, for forty days and nights, and gave him the Decalogue/Covenant. Exodus 34:28. Likewise, Satan appeared to Jesus also in a Mount, while fasting, for forty days and nights, and made a covenant with him. Matt. 4:1-2, Matt. 4:8-9. Jesus was offered power in the world if he would serve Satan. Jesus came out of that preaching the Kingdom of Heaven/God, aka the "New World Order", he took the offer. Luke 4:5-7. Matt. 28:18. This Kingdom will be characterized by righteousness, justice, and peace. Jesus came for sinners, the true Messiah is coming for the righteous. Luke 5:32. Psalm 35:27. Jesus completed Satan's work. John 4:34. Ezekiel 13:22. Jesus is kind to the evil. Luke 6:35. Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus told his followers to take up their cross and follow him. Matt.10:38. Jesus died the "deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. The Messiah is called the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6. Jesus brought war and division. Luke 12:51. There is a reward for the righteous. Psalm 58:11. Satan is the god of this world and it was the multitudes who followed Jesus who had him crucified.

Desert Snake · Aug 17, 2019

Jesus sacrificed Yahweh, then resumed Lordship.

Desert Snake · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
God appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, while he was fasting, for forty days and nights, and gave him the Decalogue/Covenant. Exodus 34:28. Likewise, Satan appeared to Jesus also in a Mount, while fasting, for forty days and nights, and made a covenant with him. Matt. 4:1-2, Matt. 4:8-9. Jesus was offered power in the world if he would serve Satan. Jesus came out of that preaching the Kingdom of Heaven/God, aka the "New World Order", he took the offer. Luke 4:5-7. Matt. 28:18. This Kingdom will be characterized by righteousness, justice, and peace. Jesus came for sinners, the true Messiah is coming for the righteous. Luke 5:32. Psalm 35:27. Jesus completed Satan's work. John 4:34. Ezekiel 13:22. Jesus is kind to the evil. Luke 6:35. Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus told his followers to take up their cross and follow him. Matt.10:38. Jesus died the "deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. The Messiah is called the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6. Jesus brought war and division. Luke 12:51. There is a reward for the righteous. Psalm 58:11. Satan is the god of this world and it was the multitudes who followed Jesus who had him crucified.

Interesting material. However the sacrifice aspect isn't something that would just 'occur' after baptism, ie righteousness, or such.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

Desert Snake said:
Jesus sacrificed Yahweh, then resumed Lordship.

The god of Christianity suffers from a multiple personality disorder if it is three persons in one God. He is also a sado masochist. If Jesus bodily rose from the dead and is bodily coming back, he's a Zombie. God does not approve of human sacrifice. The offering also must be slaughtered in a manner to reduce suffering. Torture is out.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

Desert Snake said:
Interesting material. However the sacrifice aspect isn't something that would just 'occur' after baptism, ie righteousness, or such.

Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. He will lead the "sons of darkness" and this time he will die by spontaneous combustion as will all of his followers in the end. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

shmogie said:
May God have mercy upon your soul. You are really going to need it. This kind of thinking is as evil as evil can be. You might as well become a satanist, you worship him already.

Right now, it doesn't matter what religion you are. The righteous of all faiths go to Heaven. At the end, salvation will come down to belief. The end is the death and resurrection of the Messiah. God started his cult with Abraham who believed in God. It will end with the heathen/idolaters being cut off. Joel 3. It is called the "valley of decision" and is the third judgment by fire. 100 million people will be alive to witness the resurrection. Daniel 7:10.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. He will lead the "sons of darkness" and this time he will die by spontaneous combustion as will all of his followers in the end. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.

susanblange said:
God appeared to Moses on Mount Sinai, while he was fasting, for forty days and nights, and gave him the Decalogue/Covenant. Exodus 34:28. Likewise, Satan appeared to Jesus also in a Mount, while fasting, for forty days and nights, and made a covenant with him. Matt. 4:1-2, Matt. 4:8-9. Jesus was offered power in the world if he would serve Satan. Jesus came out of that preaching the Kingdom of Heaven/God, aka the "New World Order", he took the offer. Luke 4:5-7. Matt. 28:18. This Kingdom will be characterized by righteousness, justice, and peace. Jesus came for sinners, the true Messiah is coming for the righteous. Luke 5:32. Psalm 35:27. Jesus completed Satan's work. John 4:34. Ezekiel 13:22. Jesus is kind to the evil. Luke 6:35. Jesus wanted to be crucified because he thought it would fulfill scripture. Jesus told his followers to take up their cross and follow him. Matt.10:38. Jesus died the "deaths of the uncircumcised". Ezekiel 28:10. The Messiah is called the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6. Jesus brought war and division. Luke 12:51. There is a reward for the righteous. Psalm 58:11. Satan is the god of this world and it was the multitudes who followed Jesus who had him crucified.

Jesus fasted in the dessert not a mountain

Jesus is analogy to Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were in a garden with everything they needed and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. Jesus was an anti type of Adam and was victorious in a harder situation. He became the second Adam.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. He will lead the "sons of darkness" and this time he will die by spontaneous combustion as will all of his followers in the end. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.

Jesus defeated Lucifer.

Of course, there is a snake genre in the Bible.
The defeated Pharaoh had a headdress with one or even two snakes.
King Saul defeated the Serpent King
David defeats snake armor scaled Goliath.

Jesus became sin, the sinless taking on our sin and giving us his righteousness by faith. And just as Moses lifted up like the dead poisonous snake for all to look on and live. In John 3 all people are in a sin crisis as if bitten by a poison snake and the solution is looking to the Son lifted up says Jesus in John 3

He is the way to life.
And He defeated Lucifer
It's something to sing about.

Psalms book 1: David's first book of Psalms

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
Jesus fasted in the dessert not a mountain

Jesus is analogy to Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were in a garden with everything they needed and sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. Jesus was an anti type of Adam and was victorious in a harder situation. He became the second Adam.

The NT says Jesus was tempted of the devil in a mount, Matt. 4:8, Luke 4:5. I agree that Jesus was the second/seed of Adam the serpent. The Messiah will be the second/seed of Eve. Eve means "life". Genesis 3:20. Genesis 4:25. Adam's name was changed to Satan when he died and went to Heaven. There is hostility/hatred between the wicked and the righteous Genesis 3:15.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
Jesus is Lucifer, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The name means "morning star" and that was who Jesus claimed to be. Revelation 22:16. He has been kicked out of Heaven and reincarnated. Isaiah 14:12-17. He will lead the "sons of darkness" and this time he will die by spontaneous combustion as will all of his followers in the end. Ezekiel 28:18-19. Zechariah 14:12.

Not at all.

Jesus is more like 'the right hand of God'
Jesus is like God flexing his strong arm bringing salvation

The Right Hand of God in the Psalms

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

Desert Snake said:
Jesus sacrificed Yahweh, then resumed Lordship.

That job description of the Messiah is what Jesus says he fulfills in Luke 4 quoting Isaiah 61. The work of the Messiah is the work of God.

I see Jesus as God making a way to 'come home' for people alienated from God

I see the work of the Messiah as freeing those in bondage, healing the sick even if it's due to their sins, giving them a home. This is the job description of the Messiah in Isiah 61 and book 5 of Psalms which can be looked at as 'coming home' is even book ended by this theme at the start in Psalm 107 and at the end in Psalm 146 and 147

Psalms book 5: Songs for coming home

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
Jesus defeated Lucifer.

Of course, there is a snake genre in the Bible.
The defeated Pharaoh had a headdress with one or even two snakes.
King Saul defeated the Serpent King
David defeats snake armor scaled Goliath.

Jesus became sin, the sinless taking on our sin and giving us his righteousness by faith. And just as Moses lifted up like the dead poisonous snake for all to look on and live. In John 3 all people are in a sin crisis as if bitten by a poison snake and the solution is looking to the Son lifted up says Jesus in John 3

He is the way to life.
And He defeated Lucifer

The Right Hand of God in the Psalms

Lucifer and Satan are two different people. Satan is Adam the serpent and Lucifer is Jesus, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is a parable and it is not meant to be taken literally. The serpent is a part of Adam's anatomy and there was no magical fruit. What Adam and Eve did was a sexual act. Adam was the Tree of (Carnal) Knowledge and Eve is the Tree of Life. Women bear children and milk is its fruit.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
Lucifer and Satan are two different people. Satan is Adam the serpent and Lucifer is Jesus, Satan's counterfeit messiah. The story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is a parable and it is not meant to be taken literally. The serpent is a part of Adam's anatomy and there was no magical fruit. What Adam and Eve did was a sexual act. Adam was the Tree of (Carnal) Knowledge and Eve is the Tree of Life. Women bear children and milk is its fruit.

While many believe that, I see no evidence of the analogy story.

Death entered the world through Adam's sin and death is pretty real.
The ground produced thorns and Jesus wore a crown of thorns and entered death to defeat it.

The analogy doesn't hold time line wise. "death reached form Adam to Christ" says Romans. A fictional to a non fictional? na.... doesn't make sense... a real making up for the unreal?... na...

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
That job description of the Messiah is what Jesus says he fulfills in Luke 4 quoting Isaiah 61. The work of the Messiah is the work of God.

I see Jesus as God making a way to 'come home' for people alienated from God

I see the work of the Messiah as freeing those in bondage, healing the sick even if it's due to their sins, giving them a home. This is the job description of the Messiah in Isiah 61 and book 5 of Psalms which can be looked at as 'coming home' is even book ended by this theme at the start in Psalm 107 and at the end in Psalm 146 and 147

Psalms book 5: Songs for coming home

In the NT, Christians are called "prisoners" of Jesus and "in bondage". Isaiah 14:27. And then it says the truth shall make you free. "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will". II Timothy 2:26. "...as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan..." Revelation 2:24. IOW, if you don't observe the NT, then you have not known the depths of Satan. If the NT is your doctrine, then you have known the depths of Satan. These two verses come from the NT and they contradict it.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
While many believe that, I see no evidence of the analogy story.

Death entered the world through Adam's sin and death is pretty real.
The ground produced thorns and Jesus wore a crown of thorns and entered death to defeat it.

The analogy doesn't hold time line wise. "death reached form Adam to Christ" says Romans. A fictional to a non fictional? na.... doesn't make sense... a real making up for the unreal?... na...

When Adam and Eve committed the act, Adam was doomed to death. He lived for 930 years and when he died, he went to Heaven to preserve his life. He has been reincarnated as the father of the Messiah. Eve, the Messiah, is his daughter. The incident in the Garden of Eden was reenacted by the Messiah and Adam Ribdick. Adam committed suicide by hanging but he was saved because he carried out the judgment of God. Psalm 7:4. He will be resurrected to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
When Adam and Eve committed the act, Adam was doomed to death. He lived for 930 years and when he died, he went to Heaven to preserve his life. He has been reincarnated as the father of the Messiah. Eve, the Messiah, is his daughter. The incident in the Garden of Eden was reenacted by the Messiah and Adam Ribdick. Adam committed suicide by hanging but he was saved because he carried out the judgment of God. Psalm 7:4. He will be resurrected to shame and everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:2.

I like the names in Genesis

Hebrew English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow;
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methuselah His death shall bring
Lamech The Despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort.
That’s rather remarkable:

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

Sounds like Jesus?

I take a more traditional view of Genesis
The Genesis of Grace

Desert Snake · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
That job description of the Messiah is what Jesus says he fulfills in Luke 4 quoting Isaiah 61. The work of the Messiah is the work of God.

I see Jesus as God making a way to 'come home' for people alienated from God

I see the work of the Messiah as freeing those in bondage, healing the sick even if it's due to their sins, giving them a home. This is the job description of the Messiah in Isiah 61 and book 5 of Psalms which can be looked at as 'coming home' is even book ended by this theme at the start in Psalm 107 and at the end in Psalm 146 and 147

Psalms book 5: Songs for coming home

Yes, Jesus had to be god, to make the sacrifice. It's the only concept that makes sense.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

whirlingmerc said:
I like the names in Genesis

Hebrew English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow;
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methuselah His death shall bring
Lamech The Despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort.
That’s rather remarkable:

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

Sounds like Jesus?

I take a more traditional view of Genesis
The Genesis of Grace

Nobody can die for your sin except yourself. Deuteronomy 24:16. The only way into Heaven is righteousness. The guilty will suffer the second death, which is the death of the spirit. They are those who have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent of their sin. The punishment will fit the sin. If you wind up in Hell, eventually your spirit will be extinguished and you will cease to exist. The death of the soul/body is permanent and the death of the spirit is also permanent. Judgment Day is the day you die. Life is full of second chances but that ends upon death.

susanblange · Aug 17, 2019

Desert Snake said:
Yes, Jesus had to be god, to make the sacrifice. It's the only concept that makes sense.

When the Messiah is executed by Christians, he will be made as a lamb for a sin offering. Isaiah 53:7, Isaiah 53:10. According to sacrificial law, this offering must be female. Leviticus 4:32. "But cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing..." Malachi 1:14. The sacrifice also must be burned on the altar to complete it. "...I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame". Daniel 7:11.

whirlingmerc · Aug 17, 2019

susanblange said:
Nobody can die for your sin except yourself. Deuteronomy 24:16. The only way into Heaven is righteousness. The guilty will suffer the second death, which is the death of the spirit. They are those who have committed a deadly sin, and those who refuse to repent of their sin. The punishment will fit the sin. If you wind up in Hell, eventually your spirit will be extinguished and you will cease to exist. The death of the soul/body is permanent and the death of the spirit is also permanent. Judgment Day is the day you die. Life is full of second chances but that ends upon death.

A spotless lamb dying so the death angel passes over. Rings a bell?

There are sin substitutes in the Bible

Psalm 32
Of David. A maskil.
1 Blessed is the one
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord does not count against them
and in whose spirit is no deceit.

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