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Why are Atheists obsessed with God? Is that a sign?

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Atheists are gaining much more confidence, and much more steam in their cause to overthrow God though.

What's to overthrow? :shrug:

The only evidence of God is all these folks running about thinking they've got some God given authority to be telling other folks how they ought to live their lives.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
What's to overthrow? :shrug:

The only evidence of God is all these folks running about thinking they've got some God given authority to be telling other folks how they ought to live their lives.

Well atheists want to overthrow the God folks moreso than a fantasy God.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Hello Everyone,

This post and the 2 questions below are not exclusive to Atheists, I would love to hear from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics and everyone else.

I hope I am posting this in the proper section. I will do my best to keep this as short as possible. As an agnostic I am sorry if my post is about to sound like I am a theist but, please hear me out and take what I say for face value and take it as it is said and please assume the most well intent while reading it. Please do not reply to what you might think I mean rather, please focus on what is actually said. My intention is not to debate but, simply to find a logical and rational answer to my questions.

I have literally spent 100s (if not thousands) of hours between watching debates between atheists, agnostics and theists, reading up on religions, and talking about religion (forums, apps, and in person) and there is ALWAYS one constant thing I have seen in every in almost every Atheist (and some agnostics). They are always the first ones to bring up God, regardless of what the question or speaker is trying to talk about they (or should I say we?) always end up invoking/rejecting God even when the theist is not talking about nor has yet to bring up God. Whether the theist is talking about the universe, DNA, animals, bacteria or just anything, they (we?) always end up replying with something along the lines of "well that doesn't prove God" and the theist normally replies "but I am not talking about God". I heard a theist once say "God has left the Atheist but, the Atheist refuses to leave God", at first I thought the guy was being a smart *** but, the more I researched, the more I realized how true and accurate that statement really was. Another theist said "The fact that their whole life revolves around denying and rejecting God is a sign that he exists"

Whether its debates at speakers corner or a professional setting with Frank Turek, Mohamed Hijab, William Lane Craig, or whoever, the theme and the rush to jump to "God" always seems to come from the Atheist. If you don't believe, me you are definitely free to "fact check me" and do your own research.

I figured I would test this out myself, as maybe I am just coincidentally watching videos where this seems to happen. About 8 months ago I created an account on an Atheist forum and on agnostic.com and went "undercover" as a theist, on 1 site I was a Christian, and the other I was a Muslim. I would post and say things that came off just "theist enough" so I would pass as one. I made sure I NEVER brought up God, or at least I would NEVER be the first to bring God up in any context and I made sure that I went "all theist" and would reply "but I am not talking about God" yet, I noticed that (mainly) the Atheists would keep pushing and trying to deny and reject God and would try their hardest to prove I was wrong by simply pushing the idea of "there is no God", "No evidence", "That doesn't prove God" and so forth.

So, based off my observation what I said, I have 2 questions

1) Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"? Please clarify your answer

2) Is this "obsession" a sign of "God"? Please clarify your answer



Edited to add

Please provide more than just a simple 1 word answer if you can. 1 word answers don't help anyone understand the reasoning and rationale behind the answer.

Thank you

Why are god believers so obsessed with evolution?

1. Atheist are obsessed with god. Myths shouldn't be portrayed as truths

2. Same as above.
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Premium Member
About 8 months ago I created an account on an Atheist forum and on agnostic.com and went "undercover" as a theist, on 1 site I was a Christian, and the other I was a Muslim. I would post and say things that came off just "theist enough" so I would pass as one.
This is the kind of thing that gives a bad name to atheists for other religious people to grab on to. I'm sure you were nasty, hateful, and most importantly, had no knowledge of what you were saying. Not to mention the plain deception involved. Who does that?

Anyways, you had no idea what an atheist really is and you still don't. Some things are beyond some believer's comprehension. What an atheist is and from an atheist's viewpoint is top of the list.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Interesting observations and questions.

From personal experience I know one of your observations is true, usually in a discussion of science.

Over and over again I can be discussing science with an atheist, never mentioning God, and it won´t be long before they sarcastically bring up God, and of course belittle believers.

The answer to your first question is that they are angry. They won´t own up to it, but deep down in them it is the case.

They are astounded that there could be someone who believes differently than they. They revere science and itś practitioners like they are a system of an infallible oracle of truth. To question the oracle is blasphemy.

They preach their gospel as fervently as any Southern Baptist preacher, and like that preacher they want converts.

A person of faith is like a grain of sand in an oyster, a real irritant that they cannot remove.

Is their obsession with God a sign of God ? In an indirect way I think it is.

Christian eschatology is clear in that close to the end of time, the non believers become very active, angry, and outspoken against God and believers.

One of the clear distinction of the new atheists ( a term used to identify the likes of Dawkins, Hitchens,et. al.).

Compared to the old ¨atheists¨ these guys are brash, profane, sarcastic, and make hateful statements about Christianity and it´s believers.

They are the face of most atheists today. They not only are angry and hate Christianity, they want it destroyed. They make it clear.

What you make clear with all your "they" this, and
"they" that is your own anger and bigotry.

What is not evident or true, you make up
out of thin air, to make "then" sound worse.

Sorry to see you are like this, but good to be
reminded, that deep down you do hate me
and everything I think or stand for.

And want it all destroyed.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Hello Everyone,

This post and the 2 questions below are not exclusive to Atheists, I would love to hear from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics and everyone else.

I hope I am posting this in the proper section. I will do my best to keep this as short as possible. As an agnostic I am sorry if my post is about to sound like I am a theist but, please hear me out and take what I say for face value and take it as it is said and please assume the most well intent while reading it. Please do not reply to what you might think I mean rather, please focus on what is actually said. My intention is not to debate but, simply to find a logical and rational answer to my questions.

I have literally spent 100s (if not thousands) of hours between watching debates between atheists, agnostics and theists, reading up on religions, and talking about religion (forums, apps, and in person) and there is ALWAYS one constant thing I have seen in every in almost every Atheist (and some agnostics). They are always the first ones to bring up God, regardless of what the question or speaker is trying to talk about they (or should I say we?) always end up invoking/rejecting God even when the theist is not talking about nor has yet to bring up God. Whether the theist is talking about the universe, DNA, animals, bacteria or just anything, they (we?) always end up replying with something along the lines of "well that doesn't prove God" and the theist normally replies "but I am not talking about God". I heard a theist once say "God has left the Atheist but, the Atheist refuses to leave God", at first I thought the guy was being a smart *** but, the more I researched, the more I realized how true and accurate that statement really was. Another theist said "The fact that their whole life revolves around denying and rejecting God is a sign that he exists"

Whether its debates at speakers corner or a professional setting with Frank Turek, Mohamed Hijab, William Lane Craig, or whoever, the theme and the rush to jump to "God" always seems to come from the Atheist. If you don't believe, me you are definitely free to "fact check me" and do your own research.

I figured I would test this out myself, as maybe I am just coincidentally watching videos where this seems to happen. About 8 months ago I created an account on an Atheist forum and on agnostic.com and went "undercover" as a theist, on 1 site I was a Christian, and the other I was a Muslim. I would post and say things that came off just "theist enough" so I would pass as one. I made sure I NEVER brought up God, or at least I would NEVER be the first to bring God up in any context and I made sure that I went "all theist" and would reply "but I am not talking about God" yet, I noticed that (mainly) the Atheists would keep pushing and trying to deny and reject God and would try their hardest to prove I was wrong by simply pushing the idea of "there is no God", "No evidence", "That doesn't prove God" and so forth.

So, based off my observation what I said, I have 2 questions

1) Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"? Please clarify your answer

2) Is this "obsession" a sign of "God"? Please clarify your answer



Edited to add

Please provide more than just a simple 1 word answer if you can. 1 word answers don't help anyone understand the reasoning and rationale behind the answer.

Thank you

Btw. Going to different sites, making fake account by pretending to be someone/something you are not, maybe it's you yourself that has an obsession hiding within you.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
What you make clear with all your "they" this, and
"they" that is your own anger and bigotry.

What is not evident or true, you make up
out of thin air, to make "then" sound worse.

Sorry to see you are like this, but good to be
reminded, that deep down you do hate me
and everything I think or stand for.

And want it all destroyed.
What ? Why should I hate you, or what you stand for ? You have a right to believe, and stand for, whatever you choose.

Sorry, but I find this post bizarre. I think I have demonstrated to you on a personal level that I don´t hate you. I have no idea where this is coming from, but it opens my eyes as well. Too bad.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
What ? Why should I hate you, or what you stand for ? You have a right to believe, and stand for, whatever you choose.

Sorry, but I find this post bizarre. I think I have demonstrated to you on a personal level that I don´t hate you. I have no idea where this is coming from, but it opens my eyes as well. Too bad.

I dont think so. You sure dont seem to have
opened them wide enough to see yourself.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
This is the kind of thing that gives a bad name to atheists for other religious people to grab on to. I'm sure you were nasty, hateful, and most importantly, had no knowledge of what you were saying. Not to mention the plain deception involved. Who does that?

Anyways, you had no idea what an atheist really is and you still don't. Some things are beyond some believer's comprehension. What an atheist is and from an atheist's viewpoint is top of the list.

Some other good demos of that on this page.
Outrageous crazy falsehoods. Who does that?
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"?

Are you serious? We don't beleive in gods or whoever you mean by "God." Give up your obsession with magical thinking and sky fairies, and you'll never hear from us again.

The answer to your first question is that [atheists] they are angry. They won´t own up to it, but deep down in them it is the case.

No, we're contemptuous of faith-based thought and the damage it does to individuals willing to engage in it. What would we have to be angry about? Christianity is irrelevant in our lives. We've rejected it.

They are astounded that there could be someone who believes differently than they.

Not astounded, but confused why people would be willing to believe without evidence. Children think like that.

Compared to the old ¨atheists¨ these guys are brash, profane, sarcastic, and make hateful statements about Christianity and it´s believers.

Nah/ We just have a voice today, and are happy to tell what we think of your religion. It has chosen to scapegoat, demonize, and marginalize atheists. It is our enemy, not a friend. Of course we despise such an institution, just as we do the Klan for the same reason.

They not only are angry and hate Christianity, they want it destroyed.

Based on my experience with it to date partially summarized above, I'd love to see Christianity disappear from the planet. Can you give me a reason to regret that position? You seem to think that secular humanists should respect faith-based thought and those willingly indulging in it. Sorry, but this secular humanist doesn't.

Why would I? Faith is not a path to truth. It's a guess comforting some need met in other ways by those not willing to believe with insufficient supporting evidence.

I don't know for certain what need you, for example, have that Christianity meets without which your life would be less, but many of us can't really conceive of what that need is, or why it ensnares so many. We think that needing a religion would represent a less desirable state than not needing one, as with glasses or a prosthetic leg. Sure, if you couldn't walk or see clearly without a prosthesis, it's good that you have access to these.

But to tout getting glasses as a good thing even in those whose see clearly without them is to misunderstand. In this metaphor, Christianity plays the role of glasses for the atheist. Great that the needy have them, but greater yet that others don't need them.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
1) Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"? Please clarify your answe

Deep down, I believe that avowed atheists want and need God NOT to be real, and NOT to demand an accounting for how they have lived their lives. But what if he is real? And what if he does demand an accounting? They can't really be sure. I think a lot of their anger is fuelled by nagging doubt....after all, what difference does it make to them whether people believe in God or not? :shrug:

There is a level of comfort, even comradery I think, in having others who share their godless view because it is human nature to want to be among like-minded "birds of a feather". The more support they get, the more "scientific" reasons they imagine, the more emboldened they become, feeling that railing against the idea of God fits comfortably with their complete lack of spirituality. They then seek converts like believers do.

They also like to appear to be too intelligent for God and they like to imply that only the unintelligent succumb to belief in invisible deities. Their high profile advocates strut around like peacocks spewing their derision and vitriol......but it's OK. We are all actually choosing sides in a war. The winner of that war has already been determined. So from God's perspective, if we choose a side, we choose an outcome.....and according to scripture, the losers lose everything......including their right to exist, so the stakes are high.

2) Is this "obsession" a sign of "God"? Please clarify your answer

This "obsession", which is every bit as fervent as any worshipper's faith, is not really based on proof that God doesn't exist, but on the assumption that he doesn't. No one has been zapped for bad mouthing God, have they? Does that mean he isn't there?.....or could it be that God is just giving us all "enough rope"?

Time will tell I guess....we will either be glad we stuck to our belief in God and in following all his instructions for life....or we will regret that we didn't, like the ones who ridiculed Noah. (Matthew 24:37-39)

That is how I see this issue.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Hello Everyone,


1) Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"? Please clarify your answer

2) Is this "obsession" a sign of "God"? Please clarify your answer

It's not gods in general, it's the problem that some religions want to put their tenets into government. Most atheists were religious, especially Christian. When fundies stop trying to push their religion onto the general public, we can stop talking about it.

The above reason is not a sign for any deities.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Thank you for your reply. And I can see and understand where you are coming from however, in a debate, why would those things be brought up or matter? I understand the “privileges” they get but, those “privileges” have no place in a debate. That’s all I’m saying

For example, when theists start talking about “order” in the world, and they are talking about it from a scientific point of view, why would an Atheist jump to “that doesn’t mean God”? By the way, I am using this example because I recall watching it.

“Humanist weddings are not recognised in England and Wales despite being one of the most popular.”

By “recongised” do you mean they aren’t considered real and legally binding weddings? If yes, that’s insane and blows my mind. Especially given how open England seems to come off through the media.
Firstly, I don't understand why in a debate about why atheists are obsessed by god, the fact that religious privileges don't matter - atheists are fighting to remove them, in doing so, god comes into play.

The issue of ;oredr in the world' was not brought up by me but it is easily explained by the fact that life has evolved to suit the conditions on earth,

Humanist weddings are not recognised and you have to separately register your wedding for it to be legal . In Scotland it is legal.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Deep down, I believe that avowed atheists want and need God NOT to be real, and NOT to demand an accounting for how they have lived their lives. But what if he is real? And what if he does demand an accounting? They can't really be sure. I think a lot of their anger is fuelled by nagging doubt....after all, what difference does it make to them whether people believe in God or not? :shrug:

There is a level of comfort, even comradery I think, in having others who share their godless view because it is human nature to want to be among like-minded "birds of a feather". The more support they get, the more "scientific" reasons they imagine, the more emboldened they become, feeling that railing against the idea of God fits comfortably with their complete lack of spirituality. They then seek converts like believers do.
Deep down, I believe that avowed theists wants and needs God to be real, so that they can feel the lives they lived meant something cosmically specials. But what if he isn't real? And what if nobody cares about their fleeting existence but their immediate and equally impermanent friends and family? They can't really be sure. I think a lot of their anger is fuelled by nagging doubt....after all, what difference does it make to them whether people believe in God or not? :shrug:

There is a level of comfort, even comradery I think, in having others who share their theistic view because it is human nature to want to be among like-minded "birds of a feather". The more support they get, the more "truthful" reasons they imagine, the more emboldened they become, feeling that railing against the idea of physicalism fits comfortably with their complete hubris. They then seek converts, not because they actually care about the convert's afterlife, but for self-validation.



How you feel about this post is I how I view these types of arguments.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Hello Everyone,

This post and the 2 questions below are not exclusive to Atheists, I would love to hear from Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics and everyone else.

I hope I am posting this in the proper section. I will do my best to keep this as short as possible. As an agnostic I am sorry if my post is about to sound like I am a theist but, please hear me out and take what I say for face value and take it as it is said and please assume the most well intent while reading it. Please do not reply to what you might think I mean rather, please focus on what is actually said. My intention is not to debate but, simply to find a logical and rational answer to my questions.

I have literally spent 100s (if not thousands) of hours between watching debates between atheists, agnostics and theists, reading up on religions, and talking about religion (forums, apps, and in person) and there is ALWAYS one constant thing I have seen in every in almost every Atheist (and some agnostics). They are always the first ones to bring up God, regardless of what the question or speaker is trying to talk about they (or should I say we?) always end up invoking/rejecting God even when the theist is not talking about nor has yet to bring up God. Whether the theist is talking about the universe, DNA, animals, bacteria or just anything, they (we?) always end up replying with something along the lines of "well that doesn't prove God" and the theist normally replies "but I am not talking about God". I heard a theist once say "God has left the Atheist but, the Atheist refuses to leave God", at first I thought the guy was being a smart *** but, the more I researched, the more I realized how true and accurate that statement really was. Another theist said "The fact that their whole life revolves around denying and rejecting God is a sign that he exists"

Whether its debates at speakers corner or a professional setting with Frank Turek, Mohamed Hijab, William Lane Craig, or whoever, the theme and the rush to jump to "God" always seems to come from the Atheist. If you don't believe, me you are definitely free to "fact check me" and do your own research.

I figured I would test this out myself, as maybe I am just coincidentally watching videos where this seems to happen. About 8 months ago I created an account on an Atheist forum and on agnostic.com and went "undercover" as a theist, on 1 site I was a Christian, and the other I was a Muslim. I would post and say things that came off just "theist enough" so I would pass as one. I made sure I NEVER brought up God, or at least I would NEVER be the first to bring God up in any context and I made sure that I went "all theist" and would reply "but I am not talking about God" yet, I noticed that (mainly) the Atheists would keep pushing and trying to deny and reject God and would try their hardest to prove I was wrong by simply pushing the idea of "there is no God", "No evidence", "That doesn't prove God" and so forth.

So, based off my observation what I said, I have 2 questions

1) Why are Atheists obsessed with "God"? Please clarify your answer

2) Is this "obsession" a sign of "God"? Please clarify your answer



Edited to add

Please provide more than just a simple 1 word answer if you can. 1 word answers don't help anyone understand the reasoning and rationale behind the answer.

Thank you
Reading the full OP, I'm surprised at your suggestion. If you ask me a question about DNA, or about how computers work, or about biology or evolution, I will answer as well as I'm able based on the knowledge that I have so far. I may be required to go and check some facts, and so on. One thing I have never done, in answer to a plain question about a matter of science or objective fact, is bring God into the answer at all. It would never occur to me.

I rather suspect that you are reading something into what you describe, because most atheists with whom I've had such discussion also never bring God into the discussion. If I'm trying to describe the immense time-frames and long genealogies that lead to new species, there's no place in that for any mention of God at all. I feel rather sure that some of the dialogues you mentioned. And certainly, a sentence like "I'm not talking about God," is very much being the first to bring up God.

I have my own reason for having philosophical discussions about God, without being prompted to it, but that is outside the scope of your question, and I have answered in quite some depth in other threads.
 

wandering peacefully

Which way to the woods?
Premium Member
Some other good demos of that on this page.
Outrageous crazy falsehoods. Who does that?
Well, I guess "they" do that. Pathetic, dishonest and ignorant. I just can't understand these supposed Jesus lovers who are so hateful. But to remember, "they" are a small segment of the religious population. Most are decent people just trying their best to make it through life with what they have, mostly minding their own fields and caring for their loved ones and helping their communities.

You will almost never hear from them or find them trying to force their unwarranted beliefs on the rest of humanity.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Deep down, I believe that avowed theists wants and needs God to be real, so that they can feel the lives they lived meant something cosmically specials. But what if he isn't real? And what if nobody cares about their fleeting existence but their immediate and equally impermanent friends and family? They can't really be sure. I think a lot of their anger is fuelled by nagging doubt....after all, what difference does it make to them whether people believe in God or not? :shrug:

I understand what you are saying.....but don't we have to evaluate what the outcome for either position will mean? You have no future to look forward to apart from what humans are accomplishing in the world right now....not exactly inspiring confidence, is it? Are humans getting any better at managing their own affairs?....in ruling themselves?....in solving pressing problems?....how many people do you know who are truly happy? Despression is sweeping the world like an epidemic! What have you got to look forward to? When you take away hope, you kill the human spirit.

If God is real and is offering humans the kind of life that is programmed into their hearts, (a natural desire for peace and security with family and friends in a world free from trouble and disasters and tragedy) then the life you speak of and the relationships you value, need not be fleeting. You choose it to be fleeting by denying God's right to be God.

He will force no one to even believe in him because that has to be our choice....but I believe that we have enough in creation itself to demonstrate the existence of an incredibly intelligent Creator. How many "flukes" and assumptions does science depend on for its explanations? Science is as much a belief based system as is religion....they just can't admit it.

There is a level of comfort, even comradery I think, in having others who share their theistic view because it is human nature to want to be among like-minded "birds of a feather". The more support they get, the more "truthful" reasons they imagine, the more emboldened they become, feeling that railing against the idea of physicalism fits comfortably with their complete hubris. They then seek converts, not because they actually care about the convert's afterlife, but for self-validation.

Again, it is about ourcomes. Atheists, by and large, do not have a big picture and cannot see past the here and now, which is why greed is destroying the ecology of this planet. It's all about looking after number one and hang the consequences for future generations...there is money to be made!

We can all see where a godless attitude leads. That godless attitude is demonstrated also by those who claim to be "believers" but who, by their actions, demonstrate no regard for Christ's teachings at all. Hypocritical "believers" who deny God by their actions are just as guilty before God as the atheists.

So many use this hypocrisy to dismiss God. That is like throwing the baby out with the bath water....it is a huge mistake IMO. God has already dismissed those hypocrites. (Matthew 7:21-23) If we have allowed their actions to sway us, then where will that lead? The blind lead the blind to their mutual destiny.

How you feel about this post is I how I view these types of arguments.

Yes, as is your right of choice.
Is there no Intelligent Designer....or is it that he is just giving us all "enough rope"? We will all see sooner or later, I guess.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well, I guess "they" do that. Pathetic, dishonest and ignorant. I just can't understand these supposed Jesus lovers who are so hateful. But to remember, "they" are a small segment of the religious population. Most are decent people just trying their best to make it through life with what they have, mostly minding their own fields and caring for their loved ones and helping their communities.

You will almost never hear from them or find them trying to force their unwarranted beliefs on the rest of humanity.

Of course! A very small pecent. A fair percent of
people I know arre Christians. Probably a lot more
than I realize. Why would I be obnoxious, make fun,
be ugly to them?

I would never do any of those things our nominal
Chridtian posters say "they they them their they their
them" do!!

If a fundy pops up here to present his version
of things, in a debate forum, they are inviting lively
discussion. It is all in fun, until, of course, someone
with issues gets all heavy.

IF the topic were black crime, which is real enough,
but if it were "howcome blacks are obsessed with
gangbanging and they-they.- they .etc" MAYBE the hateful
bigotry would finally be evident to our purveyors of
haterd and falsehoods.

And "Oh, you are a person of color / atheist /
whatever, but I dont mean you."...

Uh, no.
 
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