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The Resurrected Christ is Jesus, not Yahweh.

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Desert Snake

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If Jesus isn't Yah, the Lord, maintaining Kingship, then you have an entity sacrificing a rabbi, pre-planned, no matter it's worded.
 
leov

leov

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Desert Snake said:
And the other context? Like Jesus on the cross? Why is your entity sacrificing a rabbi? I mean there is a lot of stuff you are leaving out.
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as above so below, below is blood, above blood - spirit what symbology means. Christ within makes you conscious being.
 
leov

leov

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Desert Snake said:
If Jesus isn't Yah, the Lord, maintaining Kingship, then you have an entity sacrificing a rabbi, pre-planned, no matter it's worded.
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Jah is emanation of the True God that deals with bicameral type of consciousness, e.g. Cain.
 
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Desert Snake

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leov said:
"14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God."
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Yep, the Epistles are poetic, though.
Hebrews 1:8
And other verses, you have Jesus leading the Israelites out of Egypt, in the Epistles, so forth. So clearly the person of Jesus isn't linear rabbi is 'of g-d', then sacrifices g
himself, which in itself is bizarre, as a concept.
 
leov

leov

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Desert Snake said:
Yep, the Epistles are poetic, though.
Hebrews 1:8
And other verses, you have Jesus leading the Israelites out of Egypt, in the Epistles, so forth. So clearly the person of Jesus isn't linear rabbi is 'of g-d', then sacrifices gimself, which in itself is bizarre, as a concept.
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how do understand 1 Corinthians 2:14 -15?
 
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Desert Snake

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leov said:
how do understand 1 Corinthians 2:14 -15?
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It actually means, as I read that, because in context the 'princes of the world', didn't know that Jesus is the Lord, it means, that one must enter into Christ affirmation, in order to know the things of God.

So, that means accepting the things that come from Jesus, because you accept Jesus. It means you aren't going to get wisdom of God, without Jesus, basically.

Though, Jesus said as you already know, 'no one comes to the father except through me'. That means no one, it means Jesus is pre-existant, hence why He is in the Old Testament.
 
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Desert Snake

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leov said:
Christ Jesus said "true" to distinguish from Jah.
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Yehuda & Judah are both named after 'God', the true God, unless you have a different interpretation.

Pretty difficult to have a different interpretation, as far as I can tell.

In other words you would be refuting Scripture unless you have a different interpretation.
 
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Desert Snake

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leov said:
Christ Jesus said "true" to distinguish from Jah.
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John 1:18
John 5:37
I have brought these verses up before, yet if you can't answer who that 'other god' is, then there is a problem

Jesus was talking to specific people, and also Jesus referenced the Old Testament, where clearly His Disciples would have known the 'true god'.
Books of Matthew & Mark

So, these verses aren't 'literal general statements' without refuting other Scripture, in other words.
 
Goodman John

Goodman John

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When Jesus put the word out, 'no one comes to the father except through me' exactly when did that take effect? Was it at that moment that rule was put in place, or something else? Prior to Jesus saying this, what other method(s) was there to attain 'salvation', if any?

I don't believe Jesus- or rather the spirit of the Christ within him- was saying that literally one had to go through Jesus, or believe in his divinity, to have their soul 'saved'. I believe what he meant was that it was through his message that Man can achieve salvation. We know the teachings that Jesus put out were largely nothing new or original- most of his material had already been covered with the Hebrews and Zoroastrians and others. So it wasn't Jesus- or the Christ- specifically that was the way to salvation, but rather following the MESSAGE he relayed (again).
 
leov

leov

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Desert Snake said:
John 1:18
John 5:37
I have brought these verses up before, yet if you can't answer who that 'other god' is, then there is a problem

Jesus was talking to specific people, and also Jesus referenced the Old Testament, where clearly His Disciples would have known the 'true god'.
Books of Matthew & Mark

So, these verses aren't 'literal general statements' without refuting other Scripture, in other words.
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how many Fathers sent Christ?
 
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Desert Snake

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Goodman John said:
When Jesus put the word out, 'no one comes to the father except through me' exactly when did that take effect? Was it at that moment that rule was put in place, or something else? Prior to Jesus saying this, what other method(s) was there to attain 'salvation', if any?

I don't believe Jesus- or rather the spirit of the Christ within him- was saying that literally one had to go through Jesus, or believe in his divinity, to have their soul 'saved'. I believe what he meant was that it was through his message that Man can achieve salvation. We know the teachings that Jesus put out were largely nothing new or original- most of his material had already been covered with the Hebrews and Zoroastrians and others. So it wasn't Jesus- or the Christ- specifically that was the way to salvation, but rather following the MESSAGE he relayed (again).
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I believe this could work with your other stated beliefs, however notice that there isn't any redeeming factor, there. There is no Hell, there basically aren't any consequences, I wonder how that promotes anything being taught, no matter what the interpretation is.
 
leov

leov

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Goodman John said:
When Jesus put the word out, 'no one comes to the father except through me' exactly when did that take effect? Was it at that moment that rule was put in place, or something else? Prior to Jesus saying this, what other method(s) was there to attain 'salvation', if any?

I don't believe Jesus- or rather the spirit of the Christ within him- was saying that literally one had to go through Jesus, or believe in his divinity, to have their soul 'saved'. I believe what he meant was that it was through his message that Man can achieve salvation. We know the teachings that Jesus put out were largely nothing new or original- most of his material had already been covered with the Hebrews and Zoroastrians and others. So it wasn't Jesus- or the Christ- specifically that was the way to salvation, but rather following the MESSAGE he relayed (again).
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Jesus is archetype of enlightened person becoming Godlike. as Paul said , Christ removes veil of ignorance of true God that is enlightenment.
"For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. "
 
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Desert Snake

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calm said:
@Desert Snake
Jesus is clearly YHUH, Jesus is the Father himself.
So it is God who sacrificed himself. But how must one imagine this? Was God dead?
A comparison:
A player creates his own character in a video game. When he was finished he started to control his character, through his character he was now a part of this game world. When his character dies, the player says: I am dead. Because he himself is his character, he is in him but the player himself is still alive in truth.
The "player" is God, the "character" is Jesus and the video game is the world.
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That's why it is a 'Spiritual Sacrifice' which is conditional. That's why Jesus said,
John 10
He does this Himself, He raises, so forth.
Jesus literally says He raises, before He goes to the Sacrifice.
 
Goodman John

Goodman John

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Desert Snake said:
I believe this could work with your other stated beliefs, however notice that there isn't any redeeming factor, there. There is no Hell, there basically aren't any consequences, I wonder how that promotes anything being taught, no matter what the interpretation is.
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I don't believe there is a 'Hell' in the fire-and-brimstone sense, no. But I do believe that this world- this physical realm- is the actual Hell. We see some nice individual good acts of Man towards others, but by and large this is an awful dog-eat-dog place that we should want nothing to do with and that we should be trying to escape as quickly as possible. The world is a terribly soul-crushing place, and- at least for me- the primary objective is rejecting it is much as possible and getting back to God in the spiritual realm. Many may take a look around at their lives and the things they have or the power they possess and think this isn't such a bad place after all, but in my view that's exactly what Satan wants us to think. The more complacent we are, the less souls escape to God, and the longer he gets to stay in power. The consequences of not getting our soul to the point where it can escape? If we don't escape, when we die our our spirit gets recycled into another body and it has to go through this all over again. As- in my view- only the last soul to have contact with a spirit gets to escape with it, it's pretty important to get the job done in our lifetime, before the buses to Paradise stop running. The physical world is a cage- a pretty, gilded one- but a cage nevertheless.

(I am having a difficult time with my terminology vis a vis 'soul' and 'spirit' and trying to find the worlds to adequately describe my thoughts, so for any confusion on that I take complete responsibility!)
 
leov

leov

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Desert Snake said:
One...
Jehovah=God
Jesus=God
Spirit=God

Notice how we're back to 'Lord God', by the way...
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Goodman John said:
I don't believe there is a 'Hell' in the fire-and-brimstone sense, no. But I do believe that this world- this physical realm- is the actual Hell. We see some nice individual good acts of Man towards others, but by and large this is an awful dog-eat-dog place that we should want nothing to do with and that we should be trying to escape as quickly as possible. The world is a terribly soul-crushing place, and- at least for me- the primary objective is rejecting it is much as possible and getting back to God in the spiritual realm. Many may take a look around at their lives and the things they have or the power they possess and think this isn't such a bad place after all, but in my view that's exactly what Satan wants us to think. The more complacent we are, the less souls escape to God, and the longer he gets to stay in power. The consequences of not getting our soul to the point where it can escape? If we don't escape, when we die our our spirit gets recycled into another body and it has to go through this all over again. As- in my view- only the last soul to have contact with a spirit gets to escape with it, it's pretty important to get the job done in our lifetime, before the buses to Paradise stop running. The physical world is a cage- a pretty, gilded one- but a cage nevertheless.

(I am having a difficult time with my terminology vis a vis 'soul' and 'spirit' and trying to find the worlds to adequately describe my thoughts, so for any confusion on that I take complete responsibility!)
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Desert Snake said:
John 10:17
'That I might take it up again...'

After the sacrifice, John 10
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Not life but soul in Greek, lay down the first Adam to take up the second Adam.
 
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