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The idolatry of Christianity

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
For all it’s evident faults, racism is not an attribute of the Baha’i Faith, nor is having a priesthood.
I was referring to the exclusionary nature of it, in terms of believing that it's the only true religion and all others are corrupted or not even considered religions (Baha'i doesn't seem to acknowledge pagan and indigenous religions at all).
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
"The application to me of insulting epithets, like that of "infidel," by
certain divines who have argued the question in opposition to my views,
will neither strengthen their position, nor tarnish my character."--Agassiz


anti-Semitic

Which begs the question, which races are Semitic?
It must matter, since it's a legal issue in many countries.
Here's a partial answer... :--

Gen25:1 "And Abraam again took a wife, whose name was Chettura. 5 But Abraam gave all his possessions to Isaac his son."

"It may not be improper to observe farther, that Moses Chorenensis, in his history of the Armenians, informs us that the nation of the Parthians was also derived from Abraham, by Keturah, and her children."

Complete works of Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, The wars of the Jews, Against Apion, etc. etc : Josephus, Flavius : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"During the height of the power of the Seleucidae, while they controlled all the oriental
nations, there sprang up amongst the Parthians a prince named Arsaces, descended from Abraham by Keturah, who throwing off the Seleucian yoke, by many successful events, established himself in the city of Bahl, in the land of Cassoei."
A History Of Armenia Vol I : Chamich Father Micheal : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Face of the Parthian Arsaces, progeny of Keturah.

Indigenous races of the earth; or, New chapters of ethnological inquiry; including monographs on special departments of philology, iconography, cranioscopy, palaeontology, pathology, archaeology, comparative geography, and natural history; : Nott, Josiah Clark, 1804-1873 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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John8:37
"I know that ye are Abraham's seed;
but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you."--Jesus.

 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
"The application to me of insulting epithets, like that of "infidel," by
certain divines who have argued the question in opposition to my views,
will neither strengthen their position, nor tarnish my character."--Agassiz




Which begs the question, which races are Semitic?
Here's a partial answer... :--

Gen25:1 "And Abraam again took a wife, whose name was Chettura. 5 But Abraam gave all his possessions to Isaac his son."

"It may not be improper to observe farther, that Moses Chorenensis, in his history of the Armenians, informs us that the nation of the Parthians was also derived from Abraham, by Keturah, and her children."

Complete works of Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, The wars of the Jews, Against Apion, etc. etc : Josephus, Flavius : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

"During the height of the power of the Seleucidae, while they controlled all the oriental
nations, there sprang up amongst the Parthians a prince named Arsaces, descended from Abraham by Keturah, who throwing off the Seleucian yoke, by many successful events, established himself in the city of Bahl, in the land of Cassoei."
A History Of Armenia Vol I : Chamich Father Micheal : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The face of the Parthian Arsaces, progeny of Keturah.

Indigenous races of the earth; or, New chapters of ethnological inquiry; including monographs on special departments of philology, iconography, cranioscopy, palaeontology, pathology, archaeology, comparative geography, and natural history; : Nott, Josiah Clark, 1804-1873 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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John8:37 "I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you."--Jesus.

Revelation2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, and the blasphemy of them which say they are Ioudaios, and are not but the synagogue of Satan."--Jesus.
Not interested in your stupid blather.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
But the Christians in our times incredibly believe that G-d has abandoned the Jewish people and made a covenant with them.

This is a major and moronic distortion that is tantamount to idolatry.
That's not what the word "idolatry" means though.

God Himself has resolutely declared that He will never forsake the Jewish people.
Correct.

Instead of accepting the Creator’s verdict, you have ridiculously invented a new religion which is a complete falsehood.
Since when is the belief in haShem a "falsehood", as both observant Jews and Christians believe in Him?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
In other words, ran out of ammo: clicks an empty cylinder.

Many people don't want to think about what Jesus said about those who claim to be Jews.
It's only surprising when those people also claim to follow the Gospel of the Kingdom.
You mean the people who put the words into the mouth of the long dead Jesus. They hated Jews who refused to convert, yes. Jesus was long dead by then so we don't really know his thoughts on it.

I'm not a Christian (should be obvious) so I don't care about your NT-based Jew-hating ramblings. Christianity is largely garbage to me. I actually have more respect for Judaism and Islam, although I criticize all of them.
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
But the Christians in our times incredibly believe that G-d has abandoned the Jewish people and made a covenant with them.

Matt15:24 "But He answered and said, 'I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'"--Jesus.

Lost Sheep of the Divided Kingdom
34 "I will not take the whole kingdom from his hand. I will allow him to be ruler for the rest of his life for the sake of My chosen servant David who kept My commandments and rules. 35 I will take the kingdom from the hand of his son and give ten tribes to you."

The Repurposed Vessel of Israel
18:1 The word that came from the Lord to 2 Jeremias, saying, Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there thou shalt hear my words. 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and behold, he was making a vessel on the stones. 4 And the vessel which he was making with his hands fell: so he made it again another vessel, as it seemed good to him to make it. 5 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
6 Shall I not be able, O house of Israel, to do to you as this potter? ...

Juda "cannot be mended again"
19:1 Then said the Lord to me, Go and get an earthen bottle, the work of the potter, and thou shalt bring some of the elders of the people, and of the priests; 2 and thou shalt go forth to the burial-place of the sons of their children, which is at the entrance of the gate of Charsith; and do thou read there all these words which I shall speak to thee: 3 and thou shalt say to them, Hear ye the word of the Lord, ye kings of Juda, and men of Juda, and the dwellers in Jerusalem, and they that enter in by these gates; thus saith the Lord God of Israel; ... 10 And thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that go forth with thee, 11 and thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord, Thus will I break in pieces this people, and this city, even as an earthen vessel is broken in pieces which cannot be mended again."

Matt21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

Rev11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Rev12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Rev22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Michaeas 6:8 "Has it not been told thee, O man, what is good? or what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justice, and love mercy, and be ready to walk with the Lord thy God?"
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses's seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do" (Matthew 23:2-3).

Matt19:8 He saith unto them, "Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."

Matt22:36-40 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Matt19:18-19 Jesus said, "Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Matt23:13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

Matt21:38 "But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the Heir; come, let us kill Him, and let us seize on His inheritance. 39 And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him]. ... 43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them."
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Christianity was originally a Jewish movement

That which is called Christianity is, too often, actually Babylonian Talmudic Paulianity... which is, as you say, a distinctly Jewish movement... Paul being a Benjamite member of the 3 southern tribes, of the Divided Kingdom, collectively called Judah.

Jesus came to tell His sheep what Our Heavenly Father originally said, minus Mosaic allowances.
Matthew 5-6 makes this fact abundantly clear by the preface, "But I say unto you..."
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
Christianity was originally a Jewish movement, so get mad at yourselves for its existence. That's not to say that Jews are to blame for how they have been treated by Christians since that's inexcusable but it did grow out of a Jewish messianic movement. It was Judaism that introduced the notion that the one true deity of the universe made a special covenant with them and only them, and that everyone else is worshipping false deities. Christianity, Islam, Baha'i and other Abrahamic religions just took that exclusionary and racist idea and ran with it. The Hebrew scriptures demonize every other culture it mentions, including making genocide a divine mandate - a first in human religion, as far as I'm aware. So if Christians are idolaters than Jews are too for making an idol out of their ethnicity or tribe. (The notion that only members of a certain tribe who have to meet a bunch of standards can be priests of Yahweh in the temple is very racist.) You sowed the seed so don't get too mad when others run with it, I guess.

Well I dated a Jewish guy named Mitch. He claimed they don't condemn other religions outside of theirs.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
BS"D



The idolatry of Christianity is much worse than the idolatry in India!


Many times I hear people saying that the elements of idolatry in Christianity are disappearing. That “they are no longer worshipping wood and stone” and that idol worship of this kind can only be found in India.

In my opinion, this is a tragic error of our generation.

The Christians of our time are worse idol worshippers than the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt.

The reason why?

The Pharaohs didn’t claim that they were replacing the Jewish people.

The Greeks and Romans tortured the Jewish people but didn’t claim that they were superseding them.

But the Christians in our times incredibly believe that G-d has abandoned the Jewish people and made a covenant with them.

This is a major and moronic distortion that is tantamount to idolatry.

It is a presumptuous form of idolatry that no rational person can countenance.

God Himself has resolutely declared that He will never forsake the Jewish people.

This is written in Tehillim Chapter 89:31-35:

If his sons forsake My Torah and do not walk in My judgments,

If they profane My statutes and do not keep My commandments,

I shall punish their transgression with a rod, and their iniquity with blows.

But I shall not cancel My kindness from them, and I shall not betray My faith.

Instead of accepting the Creator’s verdict, you have ridiculously invented a new religion which is a complete falsehood.

God has give you Christians, like the rest of humanity, the Seven Noahide Commandments whose fulfillment will bring you to the Hereafter.

The seven commandments are mentioned in Genesis 2:16 (according to Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch):

1. And commanded = the commandment to set up a system of justice

2. the L-rd = the prohibition of blasphemy

3. G-d = the prohibition of idol worship

4. the man = the prohibition of murder

5. saying, = the prohibition against adultery

6. “Of every tree in the garden” = the prohibition of theft

7. “you may freely eat” = the prohibition to eat a limb of a live animal.


The following are the list of great rabbis and works who discuss the Seven Noahide Commandments:

Maimonides, Rabeinu Bechayei, Me’am Loez, end of Sefer HaChinuch, Torah Temimah, Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch, and the Baal Shem Tov who wrote:

The Jews have guaranteed the nations in the Seven Noahide Commandments.
God didn't forsake the Jews until they forsook Him first. And, no He has not completely abandoned them but waits for everyone to turn to Him again. As the Jews will be turned to Him again but not yet. Why not yet? Because they listen to men and they put their trust in human princes; not God.

As for Israel, we know in the days of Samuel they turned from God and desired a human king. They got what they wanted but not what they needed. The Jews will be restored to God when they return to Him and when He is their King. So if they want to find God again; the Jews have to go back the same way they went away from God. And a Jew told me this.

In the meantime as the scripture prophecies your tables are made a snare to you and what was meant for your welfare is now a trap. You don't understand the Torah or the Tanakh as it was prophesied you don't understand it.

The noahide laws are not in the holy scriptures. They are a fabrication. A creation by Rabbis. God didn't give it to Noah or anyone in the scriptures. The Noahide laws would be interpreted by Rabbis and these Rabbis would forbid Christians to worship Jesus on the grounds that it is "idolatry". When we Christians know for sure that Jesus is God manifest. So, even though we Christians know it is not idolatry; yet the Noahide laws are created by Rabbis and interpreted by Rabbis. So we will never submit to the Noahide laws. Any Christians who do submit to the Noahide laws are unwise and ultimately must eventually deny Jesus Christ.

I believe God is going to give the Jews another chance. It's not over until it's over.
Hope you understand I have nothing against Jews; but I believe your Rabbis are dead wrong.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Well I dated a Jewish guy named Mitch. He claimed they don't condemn other religions outside of theirs.
They usually don't. I do have criticisms of Judaism but it's not that big of a target for me. My biggest issue with Judaism is the idea that Yahweh is the one true universal deity, as it clashes with Judaism's obvious tribal aspects. If they just worshipped Yahweh as the tribal deity of the Jews, fine.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
That which is called Christianity is, too often, actually Babylonian Talmudic Paulianity... which is, as you say, a distinctly Jewish movement... Paul being a Benjamite member of the 3 southern tribes, of the Divided Kingdom, collectively called Judah.

Jesus came to tell His sheep what Our Heavenly Father originally said, minus Mosaic allowances.
Matthew 5-6 makes this fact abundantly clear by the preface, "But I say unto you..."
Jesus and all the early Christians were Jewish. Get over it or find a new religion.

Judaism and Islam base their faith upon the writings they found on clay tablets... written by non-semitic Sumerians and Hurrians.
I have no idea what you're talking about and don't care.
 

MJFlores

Well-Known Member
BS"D



The idolatry of Christianity is much worse than the idolatry in India!


Many times I hear people saying that the elements of idolatry in Christianity are disappearing. That “they are no longer worshipping wood and stone” and that idol worship of this kind can only be found in India.

In my opinion, this is a tragic error of our generation.

The Christians of our time are worse idol worshippers than the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt.

The reason why?

The Pharaohs didn’t claim that they were replacing the Jewish people.

The Greeks and Romans tortured the Jewish people but didn’t claim that they were superseding them.

But the Christians in our times incredibly believe that G-d has abandoned the Jewish people and made a covenant with them.

This is a major and moronic distortion that is tantamount to idolatry.

It is a presumptuous form of idolatry that no rational person can countenance.

God Himself has resolutely declared that He will never forsake the Jewish people.

This is written in Tehillim Chapter 89:31-35:

If his sons forsake My Torah and do not walk in My judgments,

If they profane My statutes and do not keep My commandments,

I shall punish their transgression with a rod, and their iniquity with blows.

But I shall not cancel My kindness from them, and I shall not betray My faith.

Instead of accepting the Creator’s verdict, you have ridiculously invented a new religion which is a complete falsehood.

God has give you Christians, like the rest of humanity, the Seven Noahide Commandments whose fulfillment will bring you to the Hereafter.

The seven commandments are mentioned in Genesis 2:16 (according to Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch):

1. And commanded = the commandment to set up a system of justice

2. the L-rd = the prohibition of blasphemy

3. G-d = the prohibition of idol worship

4. the man = the prohibition of murder

5. saying, = the prohibition against adultery

6. “Of every tree in the garden” = the prohibition of theft

7. “you may freely eat” = the prohibition to eat a limb of a live animal.


The following are the list of great rabbis and works who discuss the Seven Noahide Commandments:

Maimonides, Rabeinu Bechayei, Me’am Loez, end of Sefer HaChinuch, Torah Temimah, Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch, and the Baal Shem Tov who wrote:

The Jews have guaranteed the nations in the Seven Noahide Commandments.

I believe you were referring to Catholics and Protestants.
Because Christianity is entirely different from them.
People who wear the pendant, possess statues are not Christians
in the point of view of Christ in the Bible


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Jesus Christ and his apostles never preached to worship idols
In fact Jesus Christ and his apostles were all born Jews
Before establishing the Church and thereby the Christian faith
And to prove that the Christian teaching does not preach the veneration, worship and keeping of idols the following appear in the Christian bible:


Acts 15:20 New International Version (NIV)
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

Acts 15:29 New International Version (NIV)
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

Farewell.

1 Corinthians 5:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 8:4 New International Version (NIV)
So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.”

Now if a so called Christian is an idolater and/or does not believe “There is no God but one.” as mentioned in the Christian Bible then that is not a Christian, not really a follower of Christ and Christ does not know him/her even though they are professing their so called Christian faith in the open.

Matthew 7:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

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