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Islam and Taking Credit

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I found this awhile back.

Cheese - Wikipedia

There is a legend—with variations—about the discovery of cheese by an Arab trader who used this method of storing milk.

Wikipedia should not include anecdotal "legends." Also, the article has been repeatedly vandalized. It was previously arranged according to perceived chronology. So the older copies looked like this:

Earliest proposed dates for the origin of cheesemaking range from around 8000 BCE, when sheep were first domesticated. Since animal skins and inflated internal organs have, since ancient times, provided storage vessels for a range of foodstuffs, it is probable that the process of cheese making was discovered accidentally by storing milk in a container made from the stomach of an animal, resulting in the milk being turned to curd and whey by the rennet from the stomach.

The earliest evidence of cheese-making in the archaeological record dates back to 5,500 BCE, in what is now Kujawy, Poland, where strainers with milk fats molecules have been found.

Cheesemaking may have begun independently of this by the pressing and salting of curdled milk to preserve it. Observation that the effect of making cheese in an animal stomach gave more solid and better-textured curds may have led to the deliberate addition of rennet. Early archeological evidence of Egyptian cheese has been found in Egyptian tomb murals, dating to about 2000 BCE.

The earliest cheeses were likely to have been quite sour and salty, similar in texture to rustic cottage cheese or feta, a crumbly, flavorful Greek cheese. Cheese produced in Europe, where climates are cooler than the Middle East, required less salt for preservation. With less salt and acidity, the cheese became a suitable environment for useful microbes and molds, giving aged cheeses their respective flavors. The earliest ever discovered preserved cheese was found in the Taklamakan Desert in Xinjiang, China, and it dates back as early as 1615 BCE.

There is a legend – with variations – about the discovery of cheese by an Arab trader who used this method of storing milk.

And here's the most recent.

Earliest proposed dates for the origin of cheesemaking range from around 8000 BCE, when sheep were first domesticated. Since animal skins and inflated internal organs have, since ancient times, provided storage vessels for a range of foodstuffs, it is probable that the process of cheese making was discovered accidentally by storing milk in a container made from the stomach of an animal, resulting in the milk being turned to curd and whey by the rennet from the stomach. There is a legend—with variations—about the discovery of cheese by an Arab trader who used this method of storing milk.

The earliest evidence of cheesemaking in the archaeological record dates back to 5500 BCE and is found in what is now Kujawy, Poland, where strainers coated with milk-fat molecules have been found.

Cheesemaking may have begun independently of this by the pressing and salting of curdled milk to preserve it. Observation that the effect of making cheese in an animal stomach gave more solid and better-textured curds may have led to the deliberate addition of rennet. Early archeological evidence of Egyptian cheese has been found in Egyptian tomb murals, dating to about 2000 BCE.

The earliest cheeses were likely quite sour and salty, similar in texture to rustic cottage cheese or feta, a crumbly, flavorful Greek cheese. Cheese produced in Europe, where climates are cooler than the Middle East, required less salt for preservation. With less salt and acidity, the cheese became a suitable environment for useful microbes and molds, giving aged cheeses their respective flavors. The earliest ever discovered preserved cheese was found in the Taklamakan Desert in Xinjiang, China, and it dates back as early as 1615 BCE.

You see the difference? The newest article has been scrambled, leading people to think that the oldest one (8000 BC) was the Arab traders. This is off-base anyway, for you see...

Arabs - Wikipedia

The first mention of Arabs is from the mid-ninth century BCE as a tribal people in eastern and southern Syria and the north of the Arabian Peninsula. The Arabs appear to have been under the vassalage of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–612 BCE), and the succeeding Neo-Babylonian (626–539 BCE), Achaemenid (539–332 BCE), Seleucid, and Parthian empires. Arab tribes, most notably the Ghassanids and Lakhmids, begin to appear in the southern Syrian Desert from the mid 3rd century CE onward, during the mid to later stages of the Roman and Sasanian empires.

Before the 9th century BC? The Arabs can't take credit, never mind Muslims (at least about 580 AD). But they do anyway.

Chess? It came from India, as did the numeral system we call "Arabic numbers." Chess came to the Muslims only after their invasion of Persia, first existing in the Gupta Empire in India. The Arabic (now in some circles correctly at least called Hindu-Arabic) came about as a result of Indian mathematicians at 500 AD.

Chess - Wikipedia
Arabic numerals - Wikipedia

Coffee? Might have been. Coffee's stimulant properties were discovered somewhat late. But we have only anecdotal accounts of some kid in Ethiopia named Kaldi, and this is a case of people saying he was Muslim when not much at all is known about this guy. What is said, however, is that he brought it to an Islamic monk, but this is a big hint something is off about this story. To Islam, monasticism is something not for them, only for other religions.

Then, in their wake, We followed them up with (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy. But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves, We did not prescribe for them: (We commanded) only the seeking for the Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not foster as they should have done. Yet We bestowed, on those among them who believed, their (due) reward, but many of them are rebellious transgressors.

Kebabs? Oh give me a break. Sticking a piece of wood through meat is something people knew how to do since the invention of fire. And some food network tried to tell us that pizza was really invented in the Middle East (sorry, flatbread =/= pizza).

Unfortunately, the list doesn't end here. They also claim credit for gunpowder, flying, windmills, carpets, and so on.

THEY CAME. THEY SAW. THEY PLAGIARIZED. 1001 so-called Muslim inventions, virtually none of which were actually invented by Muslims

Can anyone explain why this religion feels the need to take credit for the cultural achievements of others?
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I found this awhile back.

Cheese - Wikipedia



Wikipedia should not include anecdotal "legends." Also, the article has been repeatedly vandalized. It was previously arranged according to perceived chronology. So the older copies looked like this:



And here's the most recent.



You see the difference? The newest article has been scrambled, leading people to think that the oldest one (8000 BC) was the Arab traders. This is off-base anyway, for you see...

Arabs - Wikipedia



Before the 9th century BC? The Arabs can't take credit, never mind Muslims (at least about 580 AD). But they do anyway.

Chess? It came from India, as did the numeral system we call "Arabic numbers." Chess came to the Muslims only after their invasion of Persia, first existing in the Gupta Empire in India. The Arabic (now in some circles correctly at least called Hindu-Arabic) came about as a result of Indian mathematicians at 500 AD.

Chess - Wikipedia
Arabic numerals - Wikipedia

Coffee? Might have been. Coffee's stimulant properties were discovered somewhat late. But we have only anecdotal accounts of some kid in Ethiopia named Kaldi, and this is a case of people saying he was Muslim when not much at all is known about this guy. What is said, however, is that he brought it to an Islamic monk, but this is a big hint something is off about this story. To Islam, monasticism is something not for them, only for other religions.



Kebabs? Oh give me a break. Sticking a piece of wood through meat is something people knew how to do since the invention of fire. And some food network tried to tell us that pizza was really invented in the Middle East (sorry, flatbread =/= pizza).

Unfortunately, the list doesn't end here. They also claim credit for gunpowder, flying, windmills, carpets, and so on.

THEY CAME. THEY SAW. THEY PLAGIARIZED. 1001 so-called Muslim inventions, virtually none of which were actually invented by Muslims

Can anyone explain why this religion feels the need to take credit for the cultural achievements of others?


So......What does this have to do with Islam? What about this is specific to the religion of Islam?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
IMO, Islam is a totalitarian ideology with a religious facet. If you're promoting a totalitarian ideology you have to do some marketing. In the case of Islam you have to do some - shall we say - "creative marketing".
 
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Wasp

Active Member
I'm not interested where cheese came from, at all. But I think similar misunderstandings are out there regarding almost everything and any place. In fact, I don't think they're necessarily spread mainly by the nationals themselves. It may well be a confusion of outsiders. And then with some things, we simply don't know where they really came from.

There doesn't seem to be affirmed knowledge of where cheese came from, nor for where chess came from. Chess may have come from India or China, like go.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I found this awhile back.

Cheese - Wikipedia



Wikipedia should not include anecdotal "legends." Also, the article has been repeatedly vandalized. It was previously arranged according to perceived chronology. So the older copies looked like this:



And here's the most recent.



You see the difference? The newest article has been scrambled, leading people to think that the oldest one (8000 BC) was the Arab traders. This is off-base anyway, for you see...

Arabs - Wikipedia



Before the 9th century BC? The Arabs can't take credit, never mind Muslims (at least about 580 AD). But they do anyway.

Chess? It came from India, as did the numeral system we call "Arabic numbers." Chess came to the Muslims only after their invasion of Persia, first existing in the Gupta Empire in India. The Arabic (now in some circles correctly at least called Hindu-Arabic) came about as a result of Indian mathematicians at 500 AD.

Chess - Wikipedia
Arabic numerals - Wikipedia

Coffee? Might have been. Coffee's stimulant properties were discovered somewhat late. But we have only anecdotal accounts of some kid in Ethiopia named Kaldi, and this is a case of people saying he was Muslim when not much at all is known about this guy. What is said, however, is that he brought it to an Islamic monk, but this is a big hint something is off about this story. To Islam, monasticism is something not for them, only for other religions.



Kebabs? Oh give me a break. Sticking a piece of wood through meat is something people knew how to do since the invention of fire. And some food network tried to tell us that pizza was really invented in the Middle East (sorry, flatbread =/= pizza).

Unfortunately, the list doesn't end here. They also claim credit for gunpowder, flying, windmills, carpets, and so on.

THEY CAME. THEY SAW. THEY PLAGIARIZED. 1001 so-called Muslim inventions, virtually none of which were actually invented by Muslims

Can anyone explain why this religion feels the need to take credit for the cultural achievements of others?

This is really stupid. Arabs have been around since Abraham and earlier .. long before Islam.

In fact, Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 700 BC.
 
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