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Madam President

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'm getting dizzy from all the goal posts you keep changing.

Perhaps your being dizzy only appears to make goalposts move, eh.
This is not about capitalism.
Oh? You brought up capitalism.
But that would be appropriate, given your blaming
corporations,
which appears to be your term for "business".
Why do you keep trying to force-fit your narrative into something that is not relevant?
You see a corporate conspiracy.
I see voters pursuing what they want.
It seems that we've no common ground.
 

Truly Enlightened

Well-Known Member
You say the DNC is only looking at polls that disfavor Tulsi. Doesn't the DNC have to use the same polls for all the candidates?


There are over 35 qualifying polls that the DNC uses for candidates qualifying with 2% polling or higher. Candidates only needs to poll at 2% in 4 of these qualifying polls. In some polls candidates poll lower, and in some polls candidates poll higher. For all of the top polling candidates this is not a problem. They may be polling over 2% in over 30 polls. After Tulsi became the most google searched candidate in all 50 states, and her take-down of Harris, the rules changed. The DNC can now choose which of the over 35 qualifying polls they want to count. Tulsi has qualified in 8 of these polls. So do you think they will pick 4 from any of these qualifying polls? Remember, Tusli is the only real threat to Corporate America, and could bring about real change, at their expense. The others are just corporate stooges and centrists, that will do as their told when they get into office. No change. These candidates are driven by self, not service. Tulsi is the only 1-3% polling candidate that matters to corporate America Google, and the corporate DNC.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
There are over 35 qualifying polls that the DNC uses for candidates qualifying with 2% polling or higher. Candidates only needs to poll at 2% in 4 of these qualifying polls. In some polls candidates poll lower, and in some polls candidates poll higher. For all of the top polling candidates this is not a problem. They may be polling over 2% in over 30 polls. After Tulsi became the most google searched candidate in all 50 states, and her take-down of Harris, the rules changed. The DNC can now choose which of the over 35 qualifying polls they want to count. Tulsi has qualified in 8 of these polls. So do you think they will pick 4 from any of these qualifying polls? Remember, Tusli is the only real threat to Corporate America, and could bring about real change, at their expense. The others are just corporate stooges and centrists, that will do as their told when they get into office. No change. These candidates are driven by self, not service. Tulsi is the only 1-3% polling candidate that matters to corporate America Google, and the corporate DNC.



DNC rules for October debate gives struggling candidates longer window to qualify - CNNPolitics
The polling window for the September debate started on June 28.
...Three more -- businessman Andrew Yang, Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro -- have hit the fundraising requirement but are still short of the required polls.
Regardless of your descriptions, the qualifying polls were announced June 28.

So, since June 28, Gabbard could not bring up her polling numbers in the polls that count. That doesn't show me that she is ready to take on Trump. That doesn't show me that she is capable of defeating Trump.
 

Truly Enlightened

Well-Known Member
DNC rules for October debate gives struggling candidates longer window to qualify - CNNPolitics
The polling window for the September debate started on June 28.
...Three more -- businessman Andrew Yang, Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro -- have hit the fundraising requirement but are still short of the required polls.
Regardless of your descriptions, the qualifying polls were announced June 28.

So, since June 28, Gabbard could not bring up her polling numbers in the polls that count. That doesn't show me that she is ready to take on Trump. That doesn't show me that she is capable of defeating Trump.


Your compassion is certainly NOT your strong point. These are the DNC qualifying polls for all the candidates. RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Instead of qualifying Tulsi for the third debate by using 4 of the 7 polls she polled 2-3%, they changed the rules to allow them to pick and choose which polls they can use, or even use the average of all polls if they wanted to. This is an unfair change, and gives corporate America and the DNC, the advantage of promoting only the candidates they want, including the token Bernie. Grassroot candidates, independents, or any outsiders, will only have the illusion of a chance. Only 7 candidates have qualified. I normally can't stand any politician. I think they are all bought and paid for. They have done the biddings for Corporate America for so long, that they think it is just an accepted policy. I now understand just HOW this established norm has been protected all these years.

Any candidate that tries to buck the status quo, or change the root of the problem, will be continually smeared as un-American, untrustworthy, a cultist, a liar, a spy, dangerous, a progressive socialist, or a wacky oddball. They will not be given positive mainstream media airtime, unless it is to defend the debunked smears that they created in the first place. Her polling numbers are low BECAUSE of how mainstream media and the DNC smears and portrays her, NOT because of her message. Or, do you think this should have NO effect on how the candidate is perceived? They do not want her back on the debate stage. They saw what happened in the last two debates. What do you think would happen in the third? The more people she can reach, the more eyes she can open. They want people to stay ignorant, and apathetic. They want people to think the way they want, and choose from the choices their given. Biden will be easily bullied by Trump, and be perceived as weak, laughable, and incompetent. Trump will win again, and corporate America will also win again. If they can do this to a decorated volunteer two-toured combat Major in the Army National Guard, then what chance does anyone else have? If you can't see the dangerous implications that this has on our Democracy, then you deserve the Government you get. But hey, all that matters is the results, right? This is the tunnel vision the Establishment wants you to have.

Go to her sites Why an Afghan American is Crying for Our Future , listen to any of her videos, town halls, or her interviews and commentaries with Kim Iversen, New Progressive Voice, Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Hard Lens Media, or her debate performances. If you still feel that Tulsi deserves to be in the lower tiers, or whose message is wrong, that she is not constantly smeared and discredited, or whose message is not a threat to the military industrial complex and the fossil fuel industries, then I will admit I'm wrong, and it is all in my head. I will trust your honesty and judgement. No questions asked. So, "Either stay content in your ignorance or do some research and get enlightened.".
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Your compassion is certainly NOT your strong point. These are the DNC qualifying polls for all the candidates. RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination Instead of qualifying Tulsi for the third debate by using 4 of the 7 polls she polled 2-3%, they changed the rules to allow them to pick and choose which polls they can use, or even use the average of all polls if they wanted to. This is an unfair change, and gives corporate America and the DNC, the advantage of promoting only the candidates they want, including the token Bernie. Grassroot candidates, independents, or any outsiders, will only have the illusion of a chance. Only 7 candidates have qualified. I normally can't stand any politician. I think they are all bought and paid for. They have done the biddings for Corporate America for so long, that they think it is just an accepted policy. I now understand just HOW this established norm has been protected all these years.

Any candidate that tries to buck the status quo, or change the root of the problem, will be continually smeared as un-American, untrustworthy, a cultist, a liar, a spy, dangerous, a progressive socialist, or a wacky oddball. They will not be given positive mainstream media airtime, unless it is to defend the debunked smears that they created in the first place. Her polling numbers are low BECAUSE of how mainstream media and the DNC smears and portrays her, NOT because of her message. Or, do you think this should have NO effect on how the candidate is perceived? They do not want her back on the debate stage. They saw what happened in the last two debates. What do you think would happen in the third? The more people she can reach, the more eyes she can open. They want people to stay ignorant, and apathetic. They want people to think the way they want, and choose from the choices their given. Biden will be easily bullied by Trump, and be perceived as weak, laughable, and incompetent. Trump will win again, and corporate America will also win again. If they can do this to a decorated volunteer two-toured combat Major in the Army National Guard, then what chance does anyone else have? If you can't see the dangerous implications that this has on our Democracy, then you deserve the Government you get. But hey, all that matters is the results, right? This is the tunnel vision the Establishment wants you to have.

Go to her sites Why an Afghan American is Crying for Our Future , listen to any of her videos, town halls, or her interviews and commentaries with Kim Iversen, New Progressive Voice, Joe Rogan, Jimmy Dore, Hard Lens Media, or her debate performances. If you still feel that Tulsi deserves to be in the lower tiers, or whose message is wrong, that she is not constantly smeared and discredited, or whose message is not a threat to the military industrial complex and the fossil fuel industries, then I will admit I'm wrong, and it is all in my head. I will trust your honesty and judgement. No questions asked. So, "Either stay content in your ignorance or do some research and get enlightened.".

If the "like" button was mechanical I would have broken it.
 

averageJOE

zombie
So, since June 28, Gabbard could not bring up her polling numbers in the polls that count. That doesn't show me that she is ready to take on Trump. That doesn't show me that she is capable of defeating Trump.
If the 2016 elections should have taught you anything, as well as the rest of the country, is that polls are irrelevant. Polls can be controlled to get the results they want. What matters are actual bodies. Look at Biden, he is leading the polls, but can't fill a small venue.

The main stream media is 100% controlling how people think. They are controlling the information, and sadly, most people still rely on mainstream media as their only source. Read this article:
Tulsi Gabbard Has Enemies In High Places
"CAA presents itself as a “Nexus of talent, content, brands, technology, sports, and live events” creating “limitless opportunities for the storytellers, trendsetters, icons, and thought leaders who shape popular culture”. What does that mean? CAA represents thousands of clients across the entire mass media spectrum."

Read their client list in that article. Just about every popular new anchor you know is on it. These are the people who are hell bent on silencing and smearing Tulsi Gabbard. She is suing Google for $50 million for election interference.
Tulsi Gabbard, Democratic Presidential Candidate, Sues Google for $50 Million

Here is a 25 minute video that is 100% worth watching about a Google whistleblower talking about how the company plans to influence the election. This is something EVERYONE who bought into Russia-gate should be screaming about. But these stories are being buried.
Insider Blows Whistle & Exec Reveals Google Plan to Prevent “Trump situation” in 2020 on Hidden Cam – Project Veritas

Tulsi is only "down in the polls" because she his battling corporate America at every level. They got you to believe their "polls". Make no mistake, the DNC would rather lose the White House again to Trump than win it with Sanders or Gabbard.
 

Truly Enlightened

Well-Known Member
If the 2016 elections should have taught you anything, as well as the rest of the country, is that polls are irrelevant. Polls can be controlled to get the results they want. What matters are actual bodies. Look at Biden, he is leading the polls, but can't fill a small venue.

The main stream media is 100% controlling how people think. They are controlling the information, and sadly, most people still rely on mainstream media as their only source. Read this article:
Tulsi Gabbard Has Enemies In High Places
"CAA presents itself as a “Nexus of talent, content, brands, technology, sports, and live events” creating “limitless opportunities for the storytellers, trendsetters, icons, and thought leaders who shape popular culture”. What does that mean? CAA represents thousands of clients across the entire mass media spectrum."

Read their client list in that article. Just about every popular new anchor you know is on it. These are the people who are hell bent on silencing and smearing Tulsi Gabbard. She is suing Google for $50 million for election interference.
Tulsi Gabbard, Democratic Presidential Candidate, Sues Google for $50 Million

Here is a 25 minute video that is 100% worth watching about a Google whistleblower talking about how the company plans to influence the election. This is something EVERYONE who bought into Russia-gate should be screaming about. But these stories are being buried.
Insider Blows Whistle & Exec Reveals Google Plan to Prevent “Trump situation” in 2020 on Hidden Cam – Project Veritas

Tulsi is only "down in the polls" because she his battling corporate America at every level. They got you to believe their "polls". Make no mistake, the DNC would rather lose the White House again to Trump than win it with Sanders or Gabbard.


And I thought I was all alone. Thank you.
 

averageJOE

zombie
And I thought I was all alone. Thank you.
tulsi-2020-tulsi-gabbard.jpg

Nope. You are not alone. There are millions of Tulsi supporters out here, myself being one of them. If during the 2016 primaries if you asked me if there would be anyone other than Bernie Sanders I'd vote for I would have firmly said "No!". But that changed after learning of, and listening to, Tulsi Gabbard. I truly feel she is actually OVERQUALIFIED for President (if that's even possible!). She if facing stronger opposition now than Bernie did in 2016. As I write this Major Gabbard is leaving the campaign trail for 2 weeks for her Army National Guard duty. That's right! As Harris, Biden, and Buttigeig prepare their next talking points Gabbard will literally be in the dirt with her fellow Battle Buddies in uniform!
 

averageJOE

zombie
Bernie Sanders, whom I also support, says the way to beat Trump is to win over non-voters. I agree. He can and will get non-voters to come out and finally vote for him. Now you got to look at Tulsi Gabbard and notice the people who she is winning over. She could win over Libertarians, and, most importantly, Republicans and frustrated Trump voters. Even the evil and vile Ann Coulter says she would consider voting for Gabbard over Trump. And she didn't win them over by adopting their policies, she got them to adopt hers! It says a lot that she has to go to Fox News to get a fair interview. Look at the other candidates like Biden, Harris, Buttigeig, O'Rourke, and Warren and consider the people who would NEVER vote for them: Obama voters who flipped to Trump, Sanders voters who voted for Trump, people who voted third party, people who saw Trump as the lesser of two evils, and people who didn't vote at all. Both Sanders and Gabbard appeal to all those voters. Which is why I feel Sanders and Gabbard teaming up would win the White House with a monumental landslide.
bernie-sanders-and-tulsi-gabbard.jpg


Now...let's discuss her polices if anyone wants to...
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Bernie Sanders, whom I also support, says the way to beat Trump is to win over non-voters. I agree. He can and will get non-voters to come out and finally vote for him. Now you got to look at Tulsi Gabbard and notice the people who she is winning over. She could win over Libertarians, and, most importantly, Republicans and frustrated Trump voters. Even the evil and vile Ann Coulter says she would consider voting for Gabbard over Trump. And she didn't win them over by adopting their policies, she got them to adopt hers! It says a lot that she has to go to Fox News to get a fair interview. Look at the other candidates like Biden, Harris, Buttigeig, O'Rourke, and Warren and consider the people who would NEVER vote for them: Obama voters who flipped to Trump, Sanders voters who voted for Trump, people who voted third party, people who saw Trump as the lesser of two evils, and people who didn't vote at all. Both Sanders and Gabbard appeal to all those voters. Which is why I feel Sanders and Gabbard teaming up would win the White House with a monumental landslide.
bernie-sanders-and-tulsi-gabbard.jpg


Now...let's discuss her polices if anyone wants to...

I support a Bernie/Gabbard ticket, or reluctantly a Biden/Gabbard ticket. Either way, she would be the future of America.

I'm a little concerned that she not cut Defense too radically simply because our enemies might be worse than us if we let them. America has not been nice to Mexico and anyone south of there. I wonder what would happen, what they would do if they could? The same for some Islamic countries. Perhaps China just wants our money. Russia has half our population, but is very hungry, and willing to be very reckless.

Ms. Gabbard has seen things in Iraq that no one should have to, especially the Iraqis. I agree that Afghanistan was pure stupid hubris, and Pakistan was never our friend. So, lets disengage from war, but not destroy our means to defend ourselves.
 

Truly Enlightened

Well-Known Member
tulsi-2020-tulsi-gabbard.jpg

Nope. You are not alone. There are millions of Tulsi supporters out here, myself being one of them. If during the 2016 primaries if you asked me if there would be anyone other than Bernie Sanders I'd vote for I would have firmly said "No!". But that changed after learning of, and listening to, Tulsi Gabbard. I truly feel she is actually OVERQUALIFIED for President (if that's even possible!). She if facing stronger opposition now than Bernie did in 2016. As I write this Major Gabbard is leaving the campaign trail for 2 weeks for her Army National Guard duty. That's right! As Harris, Biden, and Buttigeig prepare their next talking points Gabbard will literally be in the dirt with her fellow Battle Buddies in uniform!


I have also said many times in my posts just how overqualified for president Tulsi is. Not only is Tulsi overqualified by her bona fides, and background experiences, but her and Bernie are the only candidates, that what you see is what you get. Although, Tulsi has more gravitas, looks more presidential, has more command experience, is mentally more resolute, and has more foreign affairs policy experience than Bernie. I would vote for Bernie, but he, Buttigieg, Castro, Booker, and Yang are only window dressing to add interest for the DNC. It is Corporate America, through its mainstream media, that will decide what our choices will be. Here's the latest hit piece by Politico on Tulsi, who is already down at 2%.
. as well as, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk_pRejFZRQ&feature=em-lbcastemail . Where was the moral outcry from the politically-correct, and the so-called fair and balanced journalism communities? Not a peep. Why think for yourself, when corporate America and the DNC can think for you? Their hit pieces and smears are now becoming more blatant, and without any impunity. Society is standing by and watching their last hope be destroyed by their corporate masters.

Trump will get 4 more years, because of your need to back a winner is being manipulated, and you just can't see it. Other than is name recognition(Obama's VP), how many people even know what Biden's foreign policy position is? What is his plan to solve our domestic issues(not his promises). Trump's narcissistic confidence ill be seen as strength, and Biden's soft-spoken lapses in cognition will be seen as weakness. Even if he is a madman, he is a strong madman. The world will not handle another 4 years of Donald Trump. The damage will be irreversible.

There is no need to cut our defence budget, just don't increase it. I doubt that there are many countries waiting in line to attack the US. Or, willing to be annihilated for trying. Just lift the crippling sanctions that we have all over the world. These sanctions only target the poor and middle-class, not the rich and powerful. These sanctions have only exacerbate the refugee crisis in Latin American countries and the Middle East. If we keep bullying countries, eventually, they will fight back. This policy must stop. When will people realize that all these bought and paid for actors, are just personalities that we listen to on the idiot box? Their opinions are not their own, but it is their job to convince us that it is. They are just talking heads, using their personas to disseminating whatever information their corporate masters(employers) tell them. This is their job. And their corporate bosses are told what to do by their corporate bosses. We the people are not relevant, except when we exercise the only real power we have in a Democracy -- OUR VOTE. And even this is now bought and paid for because of our ignorance.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter anymore. Corporate America(corporations and Big Businesses) have successfully smeared, and discredited her enough, that she won't make the third debate stage. She could possibly have been the 1st progressive(and many other firsts) candidate to not only win the election, but could realistically win EVERY state in the Union. It is also amazing how corporate stooges rally around to put the boots into corporate casualties. Do you know what the crowd in ancient Egypt did to the citizen that exposed to them that they were just being conned and manipulated? They stoned him to death. Well, it seems that this practice has somehow still survived. Since then, the smears, innuendos, and insinuations are now being directed at Bernie. He will be the next victim of our free and fair democracy. All will be eliminated, until there is only Biden and Warren left. Two septuagenarians that pose no threat to Corporate America, or to Trump. This is the history that we are consciously allowing to happen. God help America, and God help us all.



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Shad

Veteran Member
I have also said many times in my posts just how overqualified for president Tulsi is. Not only is Tulsi overqualified by her bona fides, and background experiences, but her and Bernie are the only candidates, that what you see is what you get. Although, Tulsi has more gravitas, looks more presidential, has more command experience, is mentally more resolute, and has more foreign affairs policy experience than Bernie. I would vote for Bernie, but he, Buttigieg, Castro, Booker, and Yang are only window dressing to add interest for the DNC. It is Corporate America, through its mainstream media, that will decide what our choices will be. Here's the latest hit piece by Politico on Tulsi, who is already down at 2%.
. as well as, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk_pRejFZRQ&feature=em-lbcastemail . Where was the moral outcry from the politically-correct, and the so-called fair and balanced journalism communities? Not a peep. Why think for yourself, when corporate America and the DNC can think for you? Their hit pieces and smears are now becoming more blatant, and without any impunity. Society is standing by and watching their last hope be destroyed by their corporate masters.

Trump will get 4 more years, because of your need to back a winner is being manipulated, and you just can't see it. Other than is name recognition(Obama's VP), how many people even know what Biden's foreign policy position is? What is his plan to solve our domestic issues(not his promises). Trump's narcissistic confidence ill be seen as strength, and Biden's soft-spoken lapses in cognition will be seen as weakness. Even if he is a madman, he is a strong madman. The world will not handle another 4 years of Donald Trump. The damage will be irreversible.

There is no need to cut our defence budget, just don't increase it. I doubt that there are many countries waiting in line to attack the US. Or, willing to be annihilated for trying. Just lift the crippling sanctions that we have all over the world. These sanctions only target the poor and middle-class, not the rich and powerful. These sanctions have only exacerbate the refugee crisis in Latin American countries and the Middle East. If we keep bullying countries, eventually, they will fight back. This policy must stop. When will people realize that all these bought and paid for actors, are just personalities that we listen to on the idiot box? Their opinions are not their own, but it is their job to convince us that it is. They are just talking heads, using their personas to disseminating whatever information their corporate masters(employers) tell them. This is their job. And their corporate bosses are told what to do by their corporate bosses. We the people are not relevant, except when we exercise the only real power we have in a Democracy -- OUR VOTE. And even this is now bought and paid for because of our ignorance.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter anymore. Corporate America(corporations and Big Businesses) have successfully smeared, and discredited her enough, that she won't make the third debate stage. She could possibly have been the 1st progressive(and many other firsts) candidate to not only win the election, but could realistically win EVERY state in the Union. It is also amazing how corporate stooges rally around to put the boots into corporate casualties. Do you know what the crowd in ancient Egypt did to the citizen that exposed to them that they were just being conned and manipulated? They stoned him to death. Well, it seems that this practice has somehow still survived. Since then, the smears, innuendos, and insinuations are now being directed at Bernie. He will be the next victim of our free and fair democracy. All will be eliminated, until there is only Biden and Warren left. Two septuagenarians that pose no threat to Corporate America, or to Trump. This is the history that we are consciously allowing to happen. God help America, and God help us all.



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Gabbard was the only Dem candidate that would swing me from Trump. Bernie's lack of work history is damning. How a man that couldn't hold a serious job until he was 40 thinks he can run the nation is amusing.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Gabbard was the only Dem candidate that would swing me from Trump. Bernie's lack of work history is damning. How a man that couldn't hold a serious job until he was 40 thinks he can run the nation is amusing.

At his age...
 

Shad

Veteran Member
At his age...

I do not care about his age now. I care that he was like 44 before he found a job that lasted more than a few years based on 1 field. That was when he got into politics. He was a failure with a post secondary education for 2 decades. A man like that thinking he can run a nation is hilarious. He couldn't even get a job related to his education...
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
I do not care about his age now. I care that he was like 44 before he found a job that lasted more than a few years based on 1 field. That was when he got into politics. He was a failure with a post secondary education for 2 decades. A man like that thinking he can run a nation is hilarious. He couldn't even get a job related to his education...

Well, who would you suggest? Perhaps all the old guys just need to move on?

I really like Tulsi and I want her to be strong enough to do this. England, and India had women leaders. Pakistan Murdered theirs. Hawaii had a woman Queen but then the evil men came. I've heard various stories but some say the Missionaries ruined Hawaii.
 
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