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Question about the Holy Spirit being our comforter

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
If Not looking up any Scriptures, then we can't learn what the Bible really teaches.

I find we don't want to confuse a Spirit person (God and angels ) with being a 'spiritual person'.
We are material/ physical creation, and like Adam had we have life's spirit.
A pep rally is designed to create lively school spirit.
A high-spirited horse is a lively horse.
So, while Adam was alive he had life's spirit, and death Adam ceased to exist.
One's spirit (spirit of life) 'it' returns to God according to Ecclesiastes 12:7
'It' returns to God in the same way a foreclosed house is returned to the owner.
The house does Not move or go anywhere, but any future prospect for the house now lies in the owner's hands.
Thus, any future life for the dead now lies in the Resurrection Hope - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

The bible [and any other book] does not speak for itself. So, you'd have to break it down because every single christian has their own version. The only way I know yours and not Paul and Mathew is to explain it to where it's understood by those who don't share your opinion.

What is a spirit that's a person?

A pep rally is not a spirit rally but a rally-actual people-who gain enough excitement and pride/spirit. Some say they have the spirit or passion when they write or do art. Some say they have spirit when they are with people who share their views in a positive environment.

So, is god a "lively"?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I find God's spirit belongs to God - Psalms 104:30
Yes, the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus is at his Father's, his God's right hand of favor - Revelation 3:12,21
As much as my spirit belongs to me.
 

Shadow Link

Active Member
If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?:confused:
"the comforter" = "the confirmation"
Whatever that process might be....some get goosebumps, some suddenly see things with more depth or insight.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
As much as my spirit belongs to me.
.... and as much as my spirit belongs to me.
At death one's spirit "it" returns to God as per Ecclesiastes 12:7
Thus, one's spirit is Not a person but a neuter "it".
As a foreclosed house does Not move or go anywhere but is returned back to the hands of the owner.
So, any future life prospect now rests with God and there are No safer hands to be in.
No safer hands because through Jesus was given the Resurrection Power - Revelation 1:18.
In the resurrection (Acts of the Apostles 24:15) one's spirit of life (it) will be returned to him.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
.......................
What is a spirit that's a person?
A pep rally is not a spirit rally but a rally-actual people-who gain enough excitement and pride/spirit. Some say they have the spirit or passion when they write or do art. Some say they have spirit when they are with people who share their views in a positive environment.
So, is god a "lively"?
God is a lively Spirit person, plus God has spirit - Psalms 104:30
God uses His spirit to create things - Psalms 104:30
As a per rally creates lively school spirit, and a high-spirited horse is lively, one's spirit is the lively spark of life.
In other words, Adam had No life (lively or otherwise) before his God breathed the ' breath of life ' into life-less Adam.
That ' breath ' from Adam's God gave Adam the activating spirit of life so that Adam lived.- Genesis 2:7
Once Adam broke God's Law it was as if the plug on a fan was pulled out and Adam slowly wound down to death.
Adam's 'spark of life' (spirit) it blew out like a burned-out light bulb which has No spark left in it.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
You can see a power plant.
What you're saying is:
The PP is invisible that sends invisible power to help the world with gain electricity.
Kinda understand the confusion?

The Power Plant is 'visible ' but the power it sends out from the grid is 'invisible' until we see the effects.
The Bible is 'visible' (so are Bible people) and we see the effects.
Both the effects seen from the fake 'weed/tares' Christians and the genuine ' wheat ' Christians effects.
To me, Jesus' words in the 7th chapter of Matthew helps us understand without confusion.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The bible [and any other book] does not speak for itself. So, you'd have to break it down because every single christian has their own version. The only way I know yours and not Paul and Matthew is to explain it to where it's understood by those who don't share your opinion.........
Explain it by breaking it down: A comprehensive concordance aids with the ' breaking down '
Since the Bible is Not written ABC order as a dictionary is then we need to look at the Bible by subject or topical arrangement.
So, by taking one subject or topic at a time we can see the internal harmony among the many Bible writers.
1st century writings do Not change, but if people want they can pick and choose but that is Not scriptural.
Often people follow church teachings, passed-down church traditions/customs over Scripture.
That does Not make the Bible as wrong, but makes those false teachings as wrong - Matthew 15:9.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The Power Plant is 'visible ' but the power it sends out from the grid is 'invisible' until we see the effects.
The Bible is 'visible' (so are Bible people) and we see the effects.
Both the effects seen from the fake 'weed/tares' Christians and the genuine ' wheat ' Christians effects.
To me, Jesus' words in the 7th chapter of Matthew helps us understand without confusion.

Wouldn't you look to god, the invisible, and not to the Bible, the visible?

Without traditionds, the Bible you'd have now would be eclectic new age where readers define it on their own experiences and not the ones in which create the Bible to begin with.

You are "people" too, right?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
.... and as much as my spirit belongs to me.
At death one's spirit "it" returns to God as per Ecclesiastes 12:7

I don't see that as contrary. Returning to God doesn't mean it ceased to exist but rather returns to the place where there will be a final judgment.

Thus, one's spirit is Not a person but a neuter "it".
As a foreclosed house does Not move or go anywhere but is returned back to the hands of the owner.

I don't agree that point a determines point b. I also don't see how that is applicable to what we are talking about. However, notice that when the foreclosed house returns to the owner, it is still a house and it still is what it is, a house.

o, any future life prospect now rests with God and there are No safer hands to be in.
No safer hands because through Jesus was given the Resurrection Power - Revelation 1:18.
In the resurrection (Acts of the Apostles 24:15) one's spirit of life (it) will be returned to him.

OK... maybe looking at the same diamond at a different angle? I would say it that at the resurrection, one's spirit of life will be returned to a physical body.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
If God is our God.And Jesus is our savior.Why do we need the Holy Spirit to be our comforter?Can't God And Jesus just do that by themselves?:confused:
Father sits in the sky and observes. Son is the way that leads to Father. The Holy Spirit lives in the hearts of the virtuous with us. The Holy spirit is sent to us.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Wouldn't you look to god, the invisible, and not to the Bible, the visible?
Without traditionds, the Bible you'd have now would be eclectic new age where readers define it on their own experiences and not the ones in which create the Bible to begin with.
You are "people" too, right?

I find because God is invisible that he used visible men as His secretaries to record His Book for us.
Thus, ALL Scripture (Not just parts) are inspired by God as per 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
Sure there are Bible traditions and customs, but the world in general (as in Jesus' day- Matthew 15:9) were putting man-made traditions and customs ahead of recorded Scripture, teaching traditions of men as being Scripture.
Especially false clergy use church customs and traditions teaching them as Scripture but Not found in Scripture.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I don't see that as contrary. Returning to God doesn't mean it ceased to exist but rather returns to the place where there will be a final judgment.
I don't agree that point a determines point b. I also don't see how that is applicable to what we are talking about. However, notice that when the foreclosed house returns to the owner, it is still a house and it still is what it is, a house.
OK... maybe looking at the same diamond at a different angle? I would say it that at the resurrection, one's spirit of life will be returned to a physical body.

Agree, at the resurrection one's spirit (it) will be returned to a healthy physical body for those on Earth.
If one is judged as wicked, as Psalms 92:7 says that the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' or cease to exist.
As for ' returning to the place where there will be a final judgement, ' that place is Earth' (Not Heaven)
Those called to be resurrected to Heaven (Rev.20:6) receive their favorable judgement at their death.
'Second death' has No power over them.
The majority of mankind have a final judgement 'after' they have a physical resurrection on Earth.
As for us living, alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' (as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40)
we can have a favorable judgement at this separating time, and come through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 alive to be the foundation of Jesus 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth when it begins.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I find because God is invisible that he used visible men as His secretaries to record His Book for us.
Thus, ALL Scripture (Not just parts) are inspired by God as per 2 Timothy 3:16-17.
Sure there are Bible traditions and customs, but the world in general (as in Jesus' day- Matthew 15:9) were putting man-made traditions and customs ahead of recorded Scripture, teaching traditions of men as being Scripture.
Especially false clergy use church customs and traditions teaching them as Scripture but Not found in Scripture.

Do you have a direct relationship with God or through his secretaries?

There are no false clergy. Then, I'm an optimist. We are all on our spiritual journey.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Do you have a direct relationship with God or through his secretaries?
There are no false clergy. Then, I'm an optimist. We are all on our spiritual journey.
Seems to me you might even be suggesting those money-loving greedy Pharisees were Not false clergy________

We can all have a relationship with God : through prayer, Scripture and association with genuine spiritual people.
Adam had a direct relationship, but Adam broke that relationship thus his God provided Jesus as a go between or mediator for us as mentioned at 1 Timothy 2:5

We can all be on a spiritual journey, but that journey has two (2) roads as per Matthew 7:13-15; 7:21-23
We can end up as being a fake 'weed/tares' Christian or a genuine 'wheat' Christian, or
We can end up as being a figurative humble 'sheep' or a haughty ' goat ' as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Seems to me you might even be suggesting those money-loving greedy Pharisees were Not false clergy________

Everyone is in their spiritual path. Everyone at different level's of maturity. No One is excluded.

I catch myself judging. Not in that way, but just little things. I stop myself and say-but what if they were growing. Who am I to judge [I say this literally]? Then, I find myself in a snowball and I have to snap my fingers or stomp my foot to stop the thoughts. I usually don't get it a lot until I come online. Christians seem to be very judgemental. However, it helps me with some patience.

Adam had a direct relationship, but Adam broke that relationship thus his God provided Jesus as a go between or mediator for us as mentioned at 1 Timothy 2:5

Yes. What about you? Is it through the bible as a medium to god? Is it god himself?

Of course you all believe the bible is inspired but to the point of being a medium between you and god?

We can all be on a spiritual journey, but that journey has two (2) roads as per Matthew 7:13-15; 7:21-23
We can end up as being a fake 'weed/tares' Christian or a genuine 'wheat' Christian, or
We can end up as being a figurative humble 'sheep' or a haughty ' goat ' as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

Yes. To tell you bluntly, you could be a goat and don't know it. No one is excluded. Best we can do is learn from each other; but, it cuts short when it's mostly downing your peers than lifting them up.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Everyone is in their spiritual path. Everyone at different level's of maturity. No One is excluded.
I catch myself judging. Not in that way, but just little things. I stop myself and say-but what if they were growing. Who am I to judge [I say this literally]? Then, I find myself in a snowball and I have to snap my fingers or stomp my foot to stop the thoughts. I usually don't get it a lot until I come online. Christians seem to be very judgemental. However, it helps me with some patience.
Yes. What about you? Is it through the bible as a medium to god? Is it god himself?
Of course you all believe the bible is inspired but to the point of being a medium between you and god?
Yes. To tell you bluntly, you could be a goat and don't know it. No one is excluded. Best we can do is learn from each other; but, it cuts short when it's mostly downing your peers than lifting them up.

Certainly Judas Iscariot turned himself into a figurative ' goat ' and even anyone can drift away.
I find those judged as ' goats ' are excluded and being part of the wicked ones destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
When Jesus was talking about judging is was about little things such as imputing a bad or wrong motive to another.
Whereas, that is quite different from judging God's judgement as already recorded in Scripture.
Example: we know it is wrong to steal so we should Not question or judge whether stealing is right or wrong.

I think you know the Bible is Not God Himself, but it is a letter from God to us, penned by God-inspired men.
That is why 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says ALL Scripture is inspired by God........

The medium or go between for God and us is Christ Jesus according to 1 Timothy 2:5 as mediator.
So, to me the 'correct spiritual path' is the narrow one that Jesus instructed us to be on at Matthew 7:13-14.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Father sits in the sky and observes. Son is the way that leads to Father. The Holy Spirit lives in the hearts of the virtuous with us. The Holy spirit is sent to us.
I looked up to see what Jesus taught lives in the hearts........ as found at Mark 7:21-23 I did Not find holy spirit.
Jeremiah 17:9 wrote that one's heart is treacherous.
So, it is as if a traitor is living inside of us urging us to do something.
After we do what we are urged to do then the heart gives us all the reasons why we should Not have done what we did in the first place.
I also find the part of Job's body, as mentioned at Job 27:3, was Not Job's heart.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I understand what you are saying and I agree to a point, but I feel that it is God's spirit that imparts wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
Yes, Yahweh is the Father alone....
The Shema states...
"Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is one." דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:
Jesus is his "only begotten son" among many sons because he is "firstborn of all creation". (Colossians 1:15-17)

The holy spirit is power sent by God to accomplish his purpose. It is not a person.
I find Psalms 104:30 agrees with the ^above^ because God sends forth His spirit to accomplish things as mentioned.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The Holy Spirit cannot cease to exist, anymore than the Logos or the Father can. If the Holy Spirit ceased to exist, then He would not be God and the Trinity would not be a thing.
God's spirit however is Not a ' he ' (in Greek grammar rules a neuter can be spoken of as a he but remains a neuter)
God's spirit is a neuter "it" as found at Numbers 11:17,25.
Before modern translations changed the word "it" to he at Romans 8:16,26 God's spirit was referred to as "it".
Even in English we refer to a car or a ship as a "she" although they remain neuter as "it".
There is No triad God as found at Psalms 104:30, but that God sends forth His spirit to accomplish things.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Certainly Judas Iscariot turned himself into a figurative ' goat ' and even anyone can drift away.
I find those judged as ' goats ' are excluded and being part of the wicked ones destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7
When Jesus was talking about judging is was about little things such as imputing a bad or wrong motive to another.
Whereas, that is quite different from judging God's judgement as already recorded in Scripture.
Example: we know it is wrong to steal so we should Not question or judge whether stealing is right or wrong.

I think you know the Bible is Not God Himself, but it is a letter from God to us, penned by God-inspired men.
That is why 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says ALL Scripture is inspired by God........

The medium or go between for God and us is Christ Jesus according to 1 Timothy 2:5 as mediator.
So, to me the 'correct spiritual path' is the narrow one that Jesus instructed us to be on at Matthew 7:13-14.

You're not a goat sometimes?
 
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