There was a Daniel, a King David, a Jesus, a you and a me.
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The Slow Death Of Christianity In The United States
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sooda
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Nope. There was NO Daniel. The book was written by a committee of Jews circa 168 BC.
If they dd write it, they wrote about the reality of the person Daniel and I doubt it was written in 168BC
sooda
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The Book of Daniel was written during the Maccabean Revolt and the Abomination of Desolation that was Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
Do you know anything at all about that period in history?
As in King David that has multiple archaeological evidences that you were wrong, hopefully this will answer your modern position that it was written at 168BC.
When Was the Book of Daniel Written?
Of course, like King David, you can choose to not believe no matter what evidence is presented.
sooda
Veteran Member
If David existed he was a bandit king over a 10 acre kingdom of 800 people.
What the hell does that have to do with the Book of Daniel?
Christianity, despite a considerable amount of adaptation along the centuries, is still largely reliant on social parameters that are next to extinct these days.
Chief among them, the expectation that people will conform to a central authority and pretend to believe in certain arbitrary statements because it is perceived as better than the realistic alternatives.
That used to be roughly true for most of human history. Not so much in the present and the future. As things stand, appreciaton of cultural tradition has become a significant force in the preservation of Christian institutions, when it was just a fringe motivation not very many generations ago.
That is not a problem. That is instead a welcome resolution that isn't fully nor uniformly understood and accepted by the various segments of society.
Chief among them, the expectation that people will conform to a central authority and pretend to believe in certain arbitrary statements because it is perceived as better than the realistic alternatives.
That used to be roughly true for most of human history. Not so much in the present and the future. As things stand, appreciaton of cultural tradition has become a significant force in the preservation of Christian institutions, when it was just a fringe motivation not very many generations ago.
That is not a problem. That is instead a welcome resolution that isn't fully nor uniformly understood and accepted by the various segments of society.
I guess history is different for you. No problem.
sooda
Veteran Member
Just study,
Dell
Asteroid insurance?
Would be interesting to see Islamic religion numbers in there too.But not everywhere. In some places it's actually flourishing.
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I wonder why No one informed Jesus that there was No Daniel as per Mark 13:14; Matthew 24:15____________
- Daniel 9:27; Daniel 11:31; Daniel 12:11
Riders
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I agree Asia has gone up in Christianity, they have been sending missionaries to Asia. But a few years ago i remember thread being put up about Christianity is dying in Europe so Im surprised to see it at 66 percent here.But not everywhere. In some places it's actually flourishing.
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I am wondering if you could give us one example that impresses you ___________________
sooda
Veteran Member
Why do you suppose Daniel is NOT considered a prophet? The writing is poor history of the Babylonian exile up to 168 BC.. It was written to encourage the Jews who were suffering under Antiochus IV Epiphanes.
Yipes, I was in England in 1972 and Christianity (religion) was already dying.
Who I encountered could see how corrupt the clergy class was and their reasons why.
What they were really seeing was the death of Christendom ( so-called Christians ).
Seems to me here it is 'holiday fun' that helps keep up the 66% here besides the social club gathering aspect .
PruePhillip
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No, Daniel spoke of the destruction of the temple and the "cutting off" of the Messiah.
I think Daniel was written in the 3rd or 4th Century AD to encourage the people suffering
under the Romans.
sooda
Veteran Member
3rd or 4th century AD?
Skwim
Veteran Member
If you look closely you'll see the 66% occurred in 1910. One hundred years later, 2010, the percentage was 25.5. A decrease of 61 %.
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PruePhillip
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Well, maybe 2nd or 3rd Century AD.
You see, we date prophetic writings based upon when the events prophesied actually
happened, not when they were "prophesied." I mean, how could they have known?
So Daniel wrote of the Greek empire, splitting into four. That's Alexander's four
generals carving up his empire after he died. Now, Daniel couldn't have know this,
according to our skeptic friends, so the events described were written after Alexander.
Simple, and that our "proof."
But Daniel, or whoever, wrote of the Empire which would destroy the temple (not
just profane it) and kill even the Messiah. This "proves" Daniel was written after Jesus.
By the same logic, at least.
And Jacob in Egypt spoke of a Jewish nation and monarchy, ending with the Messiah.
So Genesis was written after Jesus, too.
Probably to encourage the early Christians.
sooda
Veteran Member
Daniel was writing history.. The destruction of the first temple, the exile.. the redemption by Cyrus.