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A nation of laws...
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sealchan
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I think the real trick is that any law will promote "legalistic" attitudes unless the spirit behind the law is known. Empathy is what tends to get lost by those who understand only the letter of the law. All those who see the laws in terms of letters and not empathy live in a prison of their own design.
leov
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But if lawmakers write aboutl people's freedom while owning slaves...
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
One of my favorite quotes was from the film Billy Jack..
"When the law breaks the law, there is no law".
"When the law breaks the law, there is no law".
Shad
Veteran Member
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
That's easy...from a letter of the law perspective slaves != people.
leov
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Caesar's was a throw away thing....
sealchan
Well-Known Member
How does this apply? The U.S. is Caesar? The immigrants should give us our country back? So should all non-Native Americans leave and return to their country of origin?
Shad
Veteran Member
Yet Jesus told people to pay their taxes ergo follow the laws of the land.
If the USA is a nation founded on Christianity thus enshrines the religion as the state religion your point holds true. However if it is not then your point fails.
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leov
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"No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."
sealchan
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You are turning this into a legalistic thing. Whether you are a Christian or not, you don't need a law to tell you what your heart can tell you. The law doesn't specify what the heart knows...it describes a simplistic boundary line that if crossed requires human intervention.
Consider how Lot hung out at the entrance to Sodom apparently hoping that whoever showed up in that city he would intercept and show true hospitality rather than the hospitality shown by the other inhabitants.
Now consider how children were left at home while their parents were taken away without warning.
A nation of laws...but no soul.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
I'll bet you those who were detained were all tax payers.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
The self-reference problem of comprehensive logical systems...this is why empathy is an essential compliment to law. You must have another system for determining truth (a cooperative, empathetic feeling one) to compliment a purely logically defined system or you miss out on the humanity of the truth and justice you are trying to achieve.
Shad
Veteran Member
Irrelevant to what I posted regarding source of laws
Shad
Veteran Member
Irrelevent point. My point was acknowledgemen of the law of the land by Jesus which was Roman. If the US is a Christian nation as in endorses it then you point holds. However as it is not Christianity has no authority in US law.
Shad
Veteran Member
Ergo do not serve government then. Still has nothing to do with my point about acknowledging existing laws as per Jesus.
Shad
Veteran Member
No you did that yourself. I just provided a verse which refutes your horrible attempt as you only look at Christianity in isolated verses.
Again if the US is a Christian nation you point holds. If it is not your point fails. Do the US endorse Christianity as it's official religion? No.
leov
Well-Known Member
Yes and know. Depends which laws. Jesus just separated this world and other one, basically, and Paul said do whatever they want with you as long they leave you alone to do what you do.
Other way round. The coin belonged to Caesar. The nation belonged to God.
Not that I am saying the U.S. is God’s country. Not by a long shot.