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Will Jesus return in the year 6000?

BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
calm said:
I read something very interesting in the epistle from Barnabas. He writes:
Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)


The millennial kingdom that is mentioned in Revelation could represent the seventh day. And if we count the years from Adam to today, then we are currently about in the 6000 year . Thus we are just before the seventh day .
What do you think about it?
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The writer of "Barnabas" may have deduced the same thing many think without reading Barnabas--day with the Lord like 1,000 years, our Sabbath rest, Jesus, returns on the "seventh day". Sure.
 
viole

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
calm said:
I read something very interesting in the epistle from Barnabas. He writes:
Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.

Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.

Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
Source: The Epistle of Barnabas (translation J.B. Lightfoot)


The millennial kingdom that is mentioned in Revelation could represent the seventh day. And if we count the years from Adam to today, then we are currently about in the 6000 year . Thus we are just before the seventh day .
What do you think about it?
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Since it is not plausible that Jesus is still alive warming up to fly back here, I am confident the answer to that is no.

And if He does, He might be disappointed. Its is possible that we colonized other planets. So He lands somewhere in the Middle East and asks Himself: where is everybody?

Ciao

- viole
 
David1967

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
lewisnotmiller said:
The Trinity confuses me every damn time it's mentioned...!
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I was raised a Baptist which is trinitarian. Even within the ranks of the elder Pastors getting a good description of the trinity was next to impossible. One Pastor even conceded that it didn't make sense. It's bad math at best, an early Catholic pagan influenced fabrication at worst (sorry, not trying to be offensive, just sharing my thoughts). I honestly, having read the words of Jesus in the synoptic gospels do not think that Jesus was a trinitarian. How did he instruct us to pray? "Our Father".
 
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susanblange

Active Member
Hockeycowboy said:
No, I think he's only 71. He used to do my Mother's hair.

(I mean, since we're making up stuff, just thought I'd add a little.)
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I was mistaken, I thought he was older. His birthday is also right around the time of the reestablishment of the state of Israel. If I remember correctly, it's May 16, 1948.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Terry Sampson said: ↑
Wait a minute, ... you're a Bahai'i, aren't you?

paarsurrey said:
No, I am not a Bahai.
I don't accept Bahaullah to be a truthful and straightforward person . I don't hate him though.
I have developed this thinking after carefully reading his "Kitab-i-Iqan"*, one of the core books of Bahaism; in English mainly and then reading it in Arabic and the original Farsi/Persian.
___________
*"Book of Certitude"
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How did it occur to one/you that I am a Bahai, please?

Regards
 
T

Terry Sampson

Well-Known Member
paarsurrey said:
How did it occur to one/you that I am a Bahai, please?
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That was my hasty assumption, which you have since corrected, based on

(a) Your post:
paarsurrey said:
Will Jesus return in the year 6000?
Jesus was never to return physically and materially. Jesus never
claimed it. Jesus was to return symbolically. Right , please?
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I'm still familiarizing myself with the various folk who have and express an opinion regarding Jesus' comings and goings. Your comment, in the quote above led me to categorize you as a theist of some Abrahamic persuasion.

(b) And your avatar referencing the "World Religions Conference" led me to wikipedia, according to which:
  • "Scholars representing 7~9 faiths from Indigenous Spirituality, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism,Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Baha'i Fatith and Humanism included in each year."
Last time I checked, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Humanism aren't customarily classified as Abrahamic religions. "Spirituality" is, IMO, a nebulous category, and I didn't think a Spirituality adherent would bother to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. Of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism is least likely to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. That leaves Islam and Baha'i.

Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread real closely, but my impression is that Muslims don't fuss over the topic of Jesus' return too often. As a consequence of that "semi-reasoning" and stereotyping, I guessed--incorrectly, as you've pointed out--that you might be a Baha'i. :D
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
David1967 said:
I was raised a Baptist which is trinitarian. Even within the ranks of the elder Pastors getting a good description of the trinity was next to impossible. One Pastor even conceded that it didn't make sense. It's bad math at best, an early Catholic pagan influenced fabrication at worst (sorry, not trying to be offensive, just sharing my thoughts). I honestly, having read the words of Jesus in the synoptic gospels do not think that Jesus was a trinitarian. How did he instruct us to pray? "Our Father".
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Yes...as an intellectual exercise I've tried to understand it, but ultimately there appears confusion amongst even Trinitarians, or a level of acceptance that it simply is.

But I read Byzantine history...err...yeah, I know, uber cool right...and it makes more sense as a solution to scriptural difficulties than as anything coherently and concretely presented in those scriptures.
 
David1967

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
lewisnotmiller said:
Yes...as an intellectual exercise I've tried to understand it, but ultimately there appears confusion amongst even Trinitarians, or a level of acceptance that it simply is.

But I read Byzantine history...err...yeah, I know, uber cool right...and it makes more sense as a solution to scriptural difficulties than as anything coherently and concretely presented in those scriptures.
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It certainly recreated the concept of the Abrahamic God.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
Terry Sampson said:
That was my hasty assumption, which you have since corrected, based on

(a) Your post:


I'm still familiarizing myself with the various folk who have and express an opinion regarding Jesus' comings and goings. Your comment, in the quote above led me to categorize you as a theist of some Abrahamic persuasion.

(b) And your avatar referencing the "World Religions Conference" led me to wikipedia, according to which:
  • "Scholars representing 7~9 faiths from Indigenous Spirituality, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism,Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Baha'i Fatith and Humanism included in each year."
Last time I checked, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Humanism aren't customarily classified as Abrahamic religions. "Spirituality" is, IMO, a nebulous category, and I didn't think a Spirituality adherent would bother to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. Of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism is least likely to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. That leaves Islam and Baha'i.

Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread real closely, but my impression is that Muslims don't fuss over the topic of Jesus' return too often. As a consequence of that "semi-reasoning" and stereotyping, I guessed--incorrectly, as you've pointed out--that you might be a Baha'i. :D
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In Shi-‘a Muslim tradition, Jesus will return again, but not alone. Rather, He will return with Muhammad al-Mahdi. This is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who, it is believed, will bring peace and justice to an utterly chaotic world by establishing Islam and its basic legal system, Sharia law, everywhere.
What are some of Islam's beliefs, including about Jesus ...
www.tedmontgomery.com/bblovrvw/emails/IslamJesus.html
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Terry Sampson said:
That was my hasty assumption, which you have since corrected, based on

(a) Your post:


I'm still familiarizing myself with the various folk who have and express an opinion regarding Jesus' comings and goings. Your comment, in the quote above led me to categorize you as a theist of some Abrahamic persuasion.

(b) And your avatar referencing the "World Religions Conference" led me to wikipedia, according to which:
  • "Scholars representing 7~9 faiths from Indigenous Spirituality, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism,Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, Baha'i Fatith and Humanism included in each year."
Last time I checked, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Humanism aren't customarily classified as Abrahamic religions. "Spirituality" is, IMO, a nebulous category, and I didn't think a Spirituality adherent would bother to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. Of the Abrahamic religions, Judaism is least likely to weigh in on a question about Jesus' return. That leaves Islam and Baha'i.

Admittedly, I haven't been following this thread real closely, but my impression is that Muslims don't fuss over the topic of Jesus' return too often. As a consequence of that "semi-reasoning" and stereotyping, I guessed--incorrectly, as you've pointed out--that you might be a Baha'i. :D
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Thanks for your so detailed response. I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim.
Muhammad also foretold of the Second Coming of Messiah. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is that Messiah , Imam Mahdi and the truthful Caliph/Successor of Muhammad. He has brought no new law book and we follow Quran and the Sunnah/Acts of Muhammad.

Regards
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
Thanks for your so detailed response. I am an Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim.
Muhammad also foretold of the Second Coming of Messiah. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 is that Messiah , Imam Mahdi and the truthful Caliph/Successor of Muhammad. He has brought no new law book and we follow Quran and the Sunnah/Acts of Muhammad.

Regards
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Is this true?

BBC News - Who are the Ahmadi?
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8711026.stm
May 28, 2010 · The Ahmadiyya community is regarded by orthodox Muslims as heretical because it does not believe that Mohammed was the final prophet sent to guide mankind, as laid out in the Koran.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
sooda said:
Is this true?

BBC News - Who are the Ahmadi?
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8711026.stm
May 28, 2010 · The Ahmadiyya community is regarded by orthodox Muslims as heretical because it does not believe that Mohammed was the final prophet sent to guide mankind, as laid out in the Koran.
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We are not heretical, there they are wrong.

Since we follow Muhammad/Quran so the Seal of Authentication of Muhammad remains intact and truthful with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 - The Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi.

Regards
 
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