Sex before marriage?????

ChristineM · Aug 8, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
Which is more safe against unplanned pregnancy/STDs/broken hearts?

1) Practicing safe sex
2) Abstinence

Broken hearts? How does one break a heart? You mean emotional stress?

And abstinence is not going to happen, we are human beings, not robots

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
As I stated previously, your religion is just like all the rest - out with the old, in with the new.

Trailblazer said:
The difference is that my religion IS new and their religions are old.

Newer yet is Scientology. Heaven's Gate was also newer. LDS is almost the same time and has the benefit of actual golden tablets delivered by an angel. Sun Myung Moon, a messiah claimant, founded the Unification Church.

If you really want to play that game, you lose.

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

Trailblazer said:
Any so-called Messenger who comes before 2852 AD is subject to the wrath of God....

“Whoso layeth claim to a Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor. We pray God that He may graciously assist him to retract and repudiate such claim. Should he repent, God will, no doubt, forgive him. If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing! Whosoever interpreteth this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all created things. Fear God, and follow not your idle fancies. Nay, rather follow the bidding of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Wise.”Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 346

That's a CYA. Actually, it is plagiaristic CYA:

1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

CYA

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

Trailblazer said:
Don’t quote me on this, but as I recall, some of the atheists I mention who came to my forum a long time ago not believing in God now believe there is probably a God.

But I will quote you. Any time I sense BS I will call you on it.

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

Trailblazer said:
Don’t quote me on this, but as I recall, some of the atheists I mention who came to my forum a long time ago not believing in God now believe there is probably a God. Mind you, they do not believe in Messengers of God, but at least they believe God probably exists. On my forum, there is only one holdout who says god almost certainly does not exist and he says that because God does not DO what he wants God to DO. He and I have been posting back and forth for over five years. I once told him I spend more time with him than I spend with my husband so we may as well get married. Of course I was kidding but he took me seriously and said no way, even after I told him how much money and how many assets I have.

This man has no sense of humor. I guess you would call him a hard atheist. There are not many of those on this forum. It seems rather odd that a hard atheist would spend so much time talking about god. Even on other forums he is on that I no longer post on, where most of the atheists are talking about politics and science and other things, he just wants to talk about the god he does not believe exists.

C’mon over and we can have a party. I will even invite my husband who now has his own laptop. He is a diehard Baha’i and he is not as nice as I am to atheists. Next to my forum is a Baha’i forum called Planet Baha’i. It used to be very active but it is pretty much died. But I know several of the Baha’is from there and they might come over to my forum if I invited them.

Yadda, yadda, yadda. If you have posted a link to your website with all your probably believing in a god atheist friends, I haven't seen it.

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
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Trailblazer said:
You cannot blame me for what other Baha’is do, not any more than I can blame you for what other atheists do.

I don't see too many people hawking counterfeit money or Adderall "in the name of atheism".

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

Trailblazer said:
Did you ASK for a link to MY forum? If you had I would have posted it.

You are the one who keeps asserting how atheists on "your site" are your buddies and probably believe in god. If you wanted to lend support to your assertions you would have posted links. After all, you have no problem posting links to Bahai writings.

ecco · Aug 8, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
Have you heard any friends say, "Abstinence is more effective than f%^&*()"?

Were these friends correct?

None of my friends are so ignorant and narrow-minded.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
Newer yet is Scientology. Heaven's Gate was also newer. LDS is almost the same time and has the benefit of actual golden tablets delivered by an angel. Sun Myung Moon, a messiah claimant, founded the Unification Church.

If you really want to play that game, you lose.

I cannot lose because Baha’u’llah was a Manifestation of God.
None of those other so-called religions had one so they lose.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
That's a CYA. Actually, it is plagiaristic CYA:

1And God spake all these words, saying,

2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

CYA

Baha’u’llah was not claiming to be the Lord thy God; He only spoke God’s bidding.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
But I will quote you. Any time I sense BS I will call you on it.

Go right ahead and see if it matters to me.

As my Christian coworker said today, we have God so nothing can hurt us.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
Yadda, yadda, yadda. If you have posted a link to your website with all your probably believing in a god atheist friends, I haven't seen it.

I do not know why you are still complaining. I posted two links to my forum yesterday:
#351 Trailblazer, Yesterday at 2:26 PM

Here they are again:
The Spiritual Horizon
Delphi Forums Login

Don’t believe me. Go there and ask them yourself what they believe in.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
I don't see too many people hawking counterfeit money or Adderall "in the name of atheism".

They were not doing that in the “name of Baha’i.” They were using a Baha’i forum for their advertising because nobody is there minding the store. That is shameful, but their forum is not my responsibility. Once a long time ago, someone posted on my forum trying to sell Jewish prayer shawls, and I got them off my forum in short order.

Trailblazer · Aug 8, 2019

ecco said:
You are the one who keeps asserting how atheists on "your site" are your buddies and probably believe in god. If you wanted to lend support to your assertions you would have posted links. After all, you have no problem posting links to Bahai writings.

I posted the links yesterday: #351 Trailblazer, Yesterday at 2:26 PM

And here they are again.
The Spiritual Horizon
Delphi Forums Login

BilliardsBall · Aug 9, 2019

ChristineM said:
Well one woman managed to get pregnant without having sex... Or so we are led to believe

Did i say must or is that you just trying to throw emotional bull into the argument again? I said abstinence is shown to be a contributing factor in some health problems.

If course it is clear, it is also clear that it goes against human nature, increase the chance of various health problems including death.

Pre marital abstinence is not going to happen so education will reduce unwanted pregnancy and std.

So, we have abstinence, and sexual practice, both can lead to emotional and health issues.

Are you sure that from a non-religious, non-spiritual, rational, scientific standpoint, you want to say to all at RF that abstinence leads to more issues than lack of chastity?!

BilliardsBall · Aug 9, 2019

ChristineM said:
Broken hearts? How does one break a heart? You mean emotional stress?

And abstinence is not going to happen, we are human beings, not robots

You doubt the ability of all persons to keep vows of abstinence? No one can stop f%$^@#$?

People are going to commit murder, would you like more safe murder education in the schools?

BilliardsBall · Aug 9, 2019

ecco said:
None of my friends are so ignorant and narrow-minded.

So you affirm that sexual practice is healthier than abstinence? Where do you draw the line, do you f$%^ on the first date, the second? Wait for love? You practice NO abstinence personally speaking?

ChristineM · Aug 9, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
So, we have abstinence, and sexual practice, both can lead to emotional and health issues.

Are you sure that from a non-religious, non-spiritual, rational, scientific standpoint, you want to say to all at RF that abstinence leads to more issues than lack of chastity?!

I am sure that what i said and the links I posted are accurate. Are you sure you want to tell all those on RF to abstain from sex because you say so?

ChristineM · Aug 9, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
You doubt the ability of all persons to keep vows of abstinence? No one can stop f%$^@#$?

People are going to commit murder, would you like more safe murder education in the schools?

Murder is a straw man and you know it. Almost everyone has sex, almost no one commits murder.

Muffled · Aug 9, 2019

ChristineM said:
No matter how much some people dont like it, the law and medical definition will win over emotional sarcasm

I believe the law is open to change and believe it or not physicians know where babies come from.

Sex before marriage?????

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