Lies and Phony Caricatures of Christianity

usfan said:

..yes, this is a popular and common perception.

Is it based on:

1. Observable reality?
2. False caricatures, from enemies?
3. Jesus's teachings?

That is the question. What is the SOURCE of these perceptions? Why are progressives so homogeneous in these perceptions?

Is this Truth, or a lie?

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1) experience with fundamental Christians
2) literal reading of the Bible
3) Jesus taught about eternal damnation.

They are homogeneous because that is how fundamental Christians approach people in truth.

sooda said:

Fundamentalism surged in a very organized way in 1913.. as a reaction against modernity. The timeline is parallel the growth of Zionism. In the 1930s the Jewish communities in the US had blue box collections to buy guns for Jewish refugees in Palestine.

Think about it...….

Because fundamentalists are xenophobic: religious fundamentalism is a reaction to the multiculturalism of liberal democracy. Rather than seek a "brotherhood of man," religious fundamentalism longs for a tribal community, without the necessary friction from those with foreign beliefs, cultures and customs.

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Political movements have nothing to do with the tenets of historical Christianity..

..unless you are still trying to smear, by association, all of Christianity because of a specific offshoot group or sect.

usfan said:

You can judge me, and caricaturize me how you wish. I have made no claim of moderation.

If i were to describe my 'christian' level, i would say i am a fire breathing apologist for the Christian faith.. and i DID inhale!!

How would you describe YOUR level of anti-christian bigotry, since you're wanting to apply personal labels?

Active promoter of smears and lies?
Unwitting bobblehead to progressive Indoctrination?
Hobbyist?

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But I think you're the bigot, if you are an extreme fundie Christian.

So you're bigoted about Gay clergy, Gay Marriage, individual sexuality, marriage without children (?), all kinds of sex hangups etc, and you would try to impose this stuff on to other folks?

Your ideas about slavery will be disgusting as well, if you are what you say you are.

And your cherry-picked selections of OT laws are strange..... if you are what you say you are.

Stuff like that...............

But Christians like I know around here...... beautiful people.

usfan said:

Political movements have nothing to do with the tenets of historical Christianity..

..unless you are still trying to smear, by association, all of Christianity because of a specific offshoot group or sect.

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Look at the fundamentalist movement in the U.S... it's definitely political.. and unhealthy. .. preoccupied with end times and Christian Zionism.

oldbadger said:

So you're bigoted about Gay clergy, Gay Marriage, individual sexuality, marriage without children (?), all kinds of sex hangups etc, and you would try to impose this stuff on to other folks?
Your ideas about slavery will be disgusting as well, if you are what you say you are.
And your cherry-picked selections of OT laws are strange..... if you are what you say you are

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..this is just an example of the OP. Have you quoted me on these 'views!'? No. Merely assumed and projected them, as a false narrative, to demean your ideological enemy.

Your disdain and hatred is toward a caricature.. a scapegoat to demonize 'Christianity!' ....

You don't know me, and your prejudicial judgments are based on assumptions and propaganda memes, not reality.

sooda said:

Look at the fundamentalist movement in the U.S... it's definitely political.. and unhealthy. .. preoccupied with end times and Christian Zionism.

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Look at the 'black lives matter!' movement.. or the anarchy movement. Or the socialism movement.. or the antifa, white supremacy, aztlan, or any flavor of political movements anywhere along the political spectrum.

What do any of them have to do with Jesus's teachings? Biblical Christianity?

It is a smear by association, nothing more, to equate any fringe group with 'Christianity!' ...., when there is no logical or ideological connection.

osgart said:

1) experience with fundamental Christians
2) literal reading of the Bible
3) Jesus taught about eternal damnation.

They are homogeneous because that is how fundamental Christians approach people in truth.

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This was your 'summary of Christianity:
Love by fear and by force or perish...
That sums it up for me about Christianity.

You are saying you got this perception, from
Fundamentalist Christians!
Bible!
Jesus!

? Where? How? I see these as caricatures.. phony narratives pounded into progressive indoctrinees.

usfan said:

..this is just an example of the OP. Have you quoted me on these 'views!'? No. Merely assumed and projected them, as a false narrative, to demean your ideological enemy.

Your disdain and hatred is toward a caricature.. a scapegoat to demonize 'Christianity!' ....

You don't know me, and your prejudicial judgments are based on assumptions and propaganda memes, not reality.

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Evangelicals and fundamentalists don't care about the environment or women's health. They care about Christian Zionism, the end times and herding all Jews to Palestine to bring on the return of Jesus which will force Jews to convert or die. "Caricature" you say?

usfan said:

..this is just an example of the OP. Have you quoted me on these 'views!'? No. Merely assumed and projected them, as a false narrative, to demean your ideological enemy.

Your disdain and hatred is toward a caricature.. a scapegoat to demonize 'Christianity!' ....

You don't know me, and your prejudicial judgments are based on assumptions and propaganda memes, not reality.

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Ah ha! So you are not a fire breathing fundamentalist Christian like you suggested earlier.
Good. We've got that sorted.

So you are a moderate Christian that does not talk rubbish about LGBT folks, accepts Gay priests, recognises Gay marriage, doesn't cherry-pick and quote OT laws whilst dismissing others, and does not wish for a Christian Theocracy with death penalties from the OT.

Also you are prepared to deny and refute Saint Paul's outrageous support of slavery.

Now that's just great. Would you like to confirm the above so folks can understand that you're a moderate Christian?

I like moderate Christians.

oldbadger said:

Ah ha! So you are not a fire breathing fundamentalist Christian like you suggested earlier.
Good. We've got that sorted.

So you are a moderate Christian that does not talk rubbish about LGBT folks, accepts Gay priests, recognises Gay marriage, doesn't cherry-pick and quote OT laws whilst dismissing others, and does not wish for a Christian Theocracy with death penalties from the OT.

Also you are prepared to deny and refute Saint Paul's outrageous support of slavery.

Now that's just great. Would you like to confirm the above so folks can understand that you're a moderate Christian?

I like moderate Christians.

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Me too……..

I have patiently waited over a month for some sort of response to my post #33 with no response so perhaps i should quote it again

ChristineM said:

1 many do
2 i wouldnt say christianity but religion
3 nothing like islam other than having similar first parts of their holy books and the same god. As for violence, it is true the bible is more violent than the quran and its historically accurate but most christians have now settled down in to civilisation.
4 again true that historically christianity has been hateful towards muslims.
5 perhaps a few do
6 perhaps a few do
7 nope but quite a lot
8 so it seems to a non christian. But i am sure its not all of them that go around press ganging unsuspecting heathens into church servitude.
9 again, many do. Most certainly i am often verbally abused (and have been physically abused) because i think christianity us a typically a hypocritical crock
10 wrong, most westerners at that time were christian. Though the founding fathers took pains to ensure christianity was not the only option.
11 yup
12 many are, these pages are evidence of that
13 yup, i would give you a list but RF posts wont hold enough characters. I can give you links to documentated errors if you want.
14 absolutely true, there are currently over 200 english language versions alone (who knows how many i other languages). As far as i know the vulgate is closest to the original (no original exists to check)
15 yes he was, he was catholic, evidence is abundant.
16 pretty much any religion can be guilty of that.
17 what, no 17?

Phoney? Actually no but pretty accurate.

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And see what happens

@usfan
To show us all that you would never support slavery in any way, could you just confirm that Saint Paul's instructions to slaves as shown was just outright bad.

Thankyou..... here we go:-

Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. (1 Peter 2:18)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear (Ephesians 6:5)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything (Colossians 3:22)

Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them (Titus 2:9)

Usfan........... you do know what some slaves had to do to please their masters, don't you?

ChristineM said:

I have patiently waited over a month for some sort of response to my post #33 with no response so perhaps i should quote it again

And see what happens

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It could be that a lack of response is a kind of implied concession ............ you should feel a sense of success, possibly?

oldbadger said:

It could be that a lack of response is a kind of implied concession ............ you should feel a sense of success, possibly?

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Wahhoooo, a response. ;-)

You could very well be right.

ChristineM said:

I have patiently waited over a month for some sort of response to my post #33 with no response so perhaps i should quote it again
And see what happens

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What response did you want? ..you gave brief opinions to the list, but did not really expand on them with commentary.

Plus, you have said you were dismissing and ignoring me, so why would my comments be wanted?

usfan said:

This was your 'summary of Christianity:
Love by fear and by force or perish...
That sums it up for me about Christianity.

You are saying you got this perception, from
Fundamentalist Christians!
Bible!
Jesus!

? Where? How? I see these as caricatures.. phony narratives pounded into progressive indoctrinees.

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Then what is the True Christianity???

usfan said:

What response did you want? ..you gave brief opinions to the list, but did not really expand on them with commentary.

Plus, you have said you were dismissing and ignoring me, so why would my comments be wanted?

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Ahh so you posted a list on a debates forum requesting civil discussion and dont actually want discussion, fair enough

In many cases not opinion but evidenced reality

This was posted long before i dismissed your circular nonsense on another thread, another subject entirely..

usfan said:

Yes, about the time Progressivism began its propaganda smear campaigns.

Christianity has not changed. The PERCEPTIONS and opinions about it have, due to mass Indoctrination and steady propaganda from all progressive run institutions. You merely display your indoctrination, not anything historical or factual.

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Progressive Christians are not the ones who try to indoctrinate people and convert everyone. Conservative Evangelicals try to convert people because they believe everyone outside of them are going to hell. Most progressive churches don't believe in hell or a devil.

ChristineM said:

Wahhoooo, a response. ;-)

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The Internationally recognised response to an implied concession is a yodel.
You only gave a Wahhoo 'cos you can't spell a yodel, is my bet.....

You could very well be right.

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I think so......
I don't expect a response to the copied verses of Paul's, instructing slaves to obey their masters in everything (shudder).

usfan said:

Are you suggesting that only 'Christians!' ..... are 'nasty!', and have brought all the evil into the world? ..that is a common false narrative in the pop culture..

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It is your hyperbolic and false narrative that only Christians are nasty, not ours. Who says things such as what you just said but Christian zealots trying to defend a religion increasingly being recognized as irrelevant in their lives? You do, not those you accuse.

Apparently, it is your hope that if nastiness exists anywhere else but in Christianity, that Christianity is not what its detractors actually say about it. We don't blame Christianity for all of the world's woes. Just too many.

usfan said:

Christianity has not changed. The PERCEPTIONS and opinions about it have, due to mass Indoctrination and steady propaganda from all progressive run institutions.

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No, Christianity is dying due to suicide, not murder. Modern telecommunications have lifted the rock and exposed Christianity to the light of day. People see what the church is, and just aren't interested.

It's Christianity's failure writ large on the big screen of 21st century telecommunications. Look at your net effect on RF. You are damaging Christianity. You've got this whole thread aligned against you. There was no indoctrination or propaganda involved in that process except your own and its rejection.

usfan said:

The source of the anti-christian caricatures are anti-christian bigots

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The source of anti-Christian sentiments is Christianity and Christians in the news. You need to accept responsibility for your own part in this and stop blaming the apparent victors for Christianity's failures.

usfan said:

Here are some of the reasons i see 'attack and false narratives!':

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Yet none of those were attacks. To you, any contradiction is a vicious attack. But you're the aggressor here. You started the thread in attack, as you did the anti-science and folly of atheism threads. You're the jihadist here. Yours is the agenda, which includes playing martyr.

usfan said:

If i were to describe my 'christian' level, i would say i am a fire breathing apologist for the Christian faith

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I'd say Christian zealot or Christian jihadist. Your hair is on fire for that religion.

usfan said:

but you still addressed the hominid, instead of the topic

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The topic ended hundreds of posts ago. It's been just you complaining while offering no evidence ever since the first page- just your regressive indoctrination phony caricatures. You were rejected, and have brought nothing new since.

usfan said:

unless you are still trying to smear, by association, all of Christianity

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I'll leave that to you.

usfan said:

a scapegoat to demonize 'Christianity!'

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You do it to yourselves. You're doing it now.