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Is Jesus an angel?

sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
The Vatican is modern day Babylon. Psalm 14:4-5. "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter of the rulers". Isaiah 47:1. "Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans..." Babylon means "confusion" and Satan/Lucifer is its king. Isaiah 41:29. "Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion".
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That's really nuts. Most of the Psalms were from the Ugaritic Tablets. Babylon was a splendid culture .. Look at what they accomplished and what they invented. There was a lot of envy from the nomadic hillbillies.

Babylon was an ancient city in Mesopotamia, the capital of Babylonia in the 2nd millennium bc. The city was on the banks of the Euphrates River and was noted for its luxury, its fortifications, and, particularly, for the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

Are you familiar with the Code of Hammurabi?
 
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susanblange

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calm said:
@susanblange
Jesus did not want to be God, Jesus did not become God and Jesus is not the devil either. Jesus was and is God. Jesus is the Father, Jesus is YAHUAH.
You are Jewish, did you know that the name YAHUAH means Behold (a) Hand, Behold (a) Nail ? And that's not a theory, that's a fact. God prophesied everything from the beginning, His coming and His sacrifice.
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I am Jewish by faith, but I'm not ethnically Jewish. Most of them do not believe as I do, so I wouldn't hold it against them. Joshua, Jarrett, or Jesus means "Lord is salvation". We don't know what the Tetragrammaton means but it is translated throughout the scriptures as Lord in capital letters. The given name of God has been kept secret and this is for two reasons. 1) If we knew the name of God, we would know God is a woman. 2) God's name would either be commonplace or unheard of.
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
I am Jewish by faith, but I'm not ethnically Jewish. Most of them do not believe as I do, so I wouldn't hold it against them. Joshua, Jarrett, or Jesus means "Lord is salvation". We don't know what the Tetragrammaton means but it is translated throughout the scriptures as Lord in capital letters. The given name of God has been kept secret and this is for two reasons. 1) If we knew the name of God, we would know God is a woman. 2) God's name would either be commonplace or unheard of.
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Wasn't it you who said the vatican is modern day Babylon?
 
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susanblange

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sooda said:
That's really nuts. Most of the Psalms were from the Ugaritic Tablets. Babylon was a splendid culture .. Look at what they accomplished and what they invented. There was a lot of envy from the nomadic hillbillies.

Babylon was an ancient city in Mesopotamia, the capital of Babylonia in the 2nd millennium bc. The city was on the banks of the Euphrates River and was noted for its luxury, its fortifications, and, particularly, for the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.

Are you familiar with the Code of Hammurabi?
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Psalm 41:8. "An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him..." Proverbs 3:5. "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding". When God comes, he will utterly reject Christian theology. Jeremiah 51:26. "And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but shalt be desolate forever, saith the Lord".
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
Psalm 41:8. "An evil disease, say they, cleaveth fast unto him..." Proverbs 3:5. "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding". When God comes, he will utterly reject Christian theology. Jeremiah 51:26. "And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but shalt be desolate forever, saith the Lord".
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Israel is Babylon the Great. and it too sits on seven hill.
 
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susanblange

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sooda said:
Israel is Babylon the Great. and it too sits on seven hill.
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Revelation 17. This chapter speaks of Babylon. Rev. 17:9. "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth". The Vatican aka Rome, is a city built on seven hills.
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
Revelation 17. This chapter speaks of Babylon. Rev. 17:9. "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth". The Vatican aka Rome, is a city built on seven hills.
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You said you were a Jew???

Jerusalem is built on 7 hills and is referred to as Babylon and Sodom and the whore of Babylon.

Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the ...
https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-8.htm
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Christian Standard Bible Their dead bodies will lie in the main street of the great city, which figuratively is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

(Didn't happen in Rome)
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

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calm said:
Jehovah's Witnesses and Adventists claim that Michael (the angel) is Jesus. However, in the Bible Jesus is neither described as an angel nor as Michael. Not once.
They also claim that Michael is the only Archangel, which is not said in the Bible.
What is an Archangel?
There are altogether seven archangels, each of these seven angels has his own troop and the archangel is the leader of his troop. Those seven troops each have a specific task. The book of Enoch(20:1-8) gives us information about this:
And these are the names of the holy angels who watch. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos. Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.

The archangels are also mentioned in the book of Tobit (12:15):
I am Raphael, one of the seven angels who stand by and enter before the glory of the Lord.

Revelation 21:9 mentions the seven angels too:
Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.
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I think some of your information is incorrect,the prefix “arch,” meaning “chief” or “principal,” implies that there is only one archangel, the chief angel; in the Scriptures, “archangel” is never found in the plural. I don't think any of the other angels are called archangels, anyway it would be contradictory.

“The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”
First Thessalonians 4:16

Interestingly the name Michael comes from the Hebrew name מִיכָאֵל (Mikha'el) meaning "who is like God?"
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

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sooda said:
You said you were a Jew???

Jerusalem is built on 7 hills and is referred to as Babylon and Sodom and the whore of Babylon.

Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the ...
https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-8.htm
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Christian Standard Bible Their dead bodies will lie in the main street of the great city, which figuratively is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

(Didn't happen in Rome)
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That is because it hasn't happened yet!!!
 
sooda

sooda

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Sandra Jayne said:
That is because it hasn't happened yet!!!
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You might want to read it again. Jesus was already crucified.

Rev 11

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Remember. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.
 
Sandra Jayne

Sandra Jayne

Member
sooda said:
You might want to read it again. Jesus was already crucified.

Rev 11

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Remember. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.
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Sorry, not getting your point here. Of course Jesus was put to death in Jerusalem, the world we live in at the moment is spiritually like Sodom and Egypt.
 
sooda

sooda

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Sandra Jayne said:
Sorry, not getting your point here. Of course Jesus was put to death in Jerusalem, the world we live in at the moment is spiritually like Sodom and Egypt.
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Oh baloney. Revelation TELLS you Jerusalem is like Sodom and Egypt. Read it.
 
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susanblange

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sooda said:
You said you were a Jew???

Jerusalem is built on 7 hills and is referred to as Babylon and Sodom and the whore of Babylon.

Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the street of the ...
https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-8.htm
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Christian Standard Bible Their dead bodies will lie in the main street of the great city, which figuratively is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

(Didn't happen in Rome)
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You are misinformed and mistaken. Sodom and Egypt are not Jerusalem nor Rome. Jerusalem is not built on seven hills. That is a reference to Rome and the Vatican.
 
sooda

sooda

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susanblange said:
You are misinformed and mistaken. Sodom and Egypt are not Jerusalem nor Rome. Jerusalem is not built on seven hills. That is a reference to Rome and the Vatican.
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Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
 
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susanblange

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KenS said:
I don't think so. :) It violates scripture
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I think it violates your understanding of scripture. The knowledge of the holy is understanding. Proverbs 9:10. There are tens of thousands of different Christian sects and they all believe something different. They cannot agree. You can read anything into the NT that you want it to say. It is idolatry and confusion. I was raised as a Christian, but I've always hated it. I chose my religion in 1983 based on my own experiences.
 
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