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what about panentheism?

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Marcion

gopa of humanity's controversial Taraka Brahma
Marcion said:
Ananda Marga is of course not a religion, merely a Tantra-Yoga mission, but it's spiritual philosophy is explicitly pantheistic. But that does not mean that you cannot at the same time have a personal relationship with the all-present Deity via the Guru or Master. You just have to realize that the only real Guru is the Supreme Consciousness (God) and not the form or body of the Guru.
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Sorry, that should have read 'explicitly panENtheistic.

Firemorphic said:
As for your own phrasing of 'personal deity', I know that my fellow Muslims and my fellow Jewish brothers would take great offense to the notion of a 'personal deity', which is a very Pagan thing.
It thrives well in Hinduism (and it's schools of Bhakti yoga) and also in trinitarian Christian notions of their 'connection with Jesus' but the whole 'personal deity' idea is very much divorced from the Islamic and Jewish worldviews, even if you may yourself have preconceived notions of that taken from Christianity, I don't know.
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Islam objects to devotion for a fully enlightened personality who is spiritually at one with Allah, yet is has no problems with ritually marching around a certain black rock or allowing only prostrations towards a particular place on a particular planet in this vast universe.
If Allah cannot be associated with any particular thing in the creation, then why the daily repeated focuss on a fixed collection of buildings? Is Allah concentrated more on that place on the planet Earth than anywhere else in de universe? So why the need for pilgrimage?
 
Firemorphic

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
Marcion said:
Islam objects to devotion for a fully enlightened personality who is spiritually at one with Allah
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This statement is not very coherent, care to clean up what you intend to say? :)

Marcion said:
If Allah cannot be associated with any particular thing in the creation
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Yes, The Absolute (as-Samad) is de facto not it's creation

Marcion said:
then why the daily repeated focuss on a fixed collection of buildings?
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I don't think you get it but you do seem to have the assumption in which you've skimmed over that it serves an inner purpose, there is a lot to be unveiled from Hajj but I'm not gonna spell it out unless you're really interested in learning about it (If you look at it materialistically, then you likely won't get much). This thread is not about this topic afterall, respectfully to the thread OP. :)
 
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Joshua Pryce

Member
A Maatian De'ani said:
I wonder what persons here think on the subject. Are you connected to any religious communities which are explicitly panentheistic? I am curious what that means for religious practice? I am wondering what religious traditions you might think of as being panentheistic. Just curious.
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The problem with this belief of pantheism is method of spiritual connection. How would you connect to these gods?
 
dybmh

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Joshua Pryce said:
The problem with this belief of pantheism is method of spiritual connection. How would you connect to these gods?
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It's actually very simple. God is immanent in each and every thing that exists. The connection is already there by defintion all a person needs to do is realize it.
 
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