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Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

  • I belong to one of these religions and believe they worship the same God

    Votes: 8 28.6%
  • I belong to one of these religions and believe they worship different Gods

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • I belong to neither religion and believe they worship the same God

    Votes: 11 39.3%
  • I belong to neither religion and believe they worship different Gods

    Votes: 5 17.9%

  • Total voters
    28

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
So you believe that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Jesus Christ? Okay. So you believe its a prophesy about Jesus who is the messiah.

Hypothetically lets say I agree (I say again, hypothetically), how does that make that associated to God? What does that have to do with God? Does that make Jesus God? What is your position?
Isaiah 44:6 (NASB95)6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last,And there is no God besides Me.



Isaiah 53 (CJB)
53 Who believes our report?
To whom is the arm of Adonai revealed?
2 For before him he grew up like a young plant,
like a root out of dry ground.
He was not well-formed or especially handsome;
we saw him, but his appearance did not attract us.
3 People despised and avoided him,
a man of pains, well acquainted with illness.
Like someone from whom people turn their faces,
he was despised; we did not value him.

4 In fact, it was our diseases he bore,
our pains from which he suffered;
yet we regarded him as punished,
stricken and afflicted by God.
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes,
crushed because of our sins;
the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him,
and by his bruises* we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, went astray;
we turned, each one, to his own way;
yet Adonai laid on him
the guilt of all of us.

7 Though mistreated, he was submissive —
he did not open his mouth.
Like a lamb led to be slaughtered,
like a sheep silent before its shearers,
he did not open his mouth.
8 After forcible arrest and sentencing,
he was taken away;
and none of his generation protested
his being cut off from the land of the living
for the crimes of my people,
who deserved the punishment themselves.
9 He was given a grave among the wicked;
in his death he was with a rich man.

Although he had done no violence
and had said nothing deceptive,
10 yet it pleased Adonai to crush him with illness,
to see if he would present himself as a guilt offering.
If he does, he will see his offspring;
and he will prolong his days;
and at his hand Adonai’s desire
will be accomplished.
11 After this ordeal, he will see satisfaction.
“By his knowing [pain and sacrifice],
my righteous servant makes many righteous;
it is for their sins that he suffers.
12 Therefore I will assign him a share with the great,
he will divide the spoil with the mighty,
for having exposed himself to death
and being counted among the sinners,
while actually bearing the sin of many
and interceding for the offenders.”
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
The Bible isn´t deified. Unlike a Muslim with the Koran, you could take any of my thirteen different versions, and burn it, it is just a book, not a god.
Per you. I've seen people act like the bible is a horcrux and God will die if you stab it with a basilisk fang.

No, we don't worship the same God.
Christianity preceded Islam. Jesus was the son of man and God and he was God incarnate.
Islam's Allah has no son. Surah 23:91
If Jesus is Yahweh, and Muslims worship Yahweh, logically they are worshiping Jesus as the two are equal, are they not?

But now I see you follow a man who, like Jesus, thought he is the most awesomest awesome to ever awesome and people are literally saying he is better than Jesus and is God Himself. Clearly, deification of human beings just isn't that hard, no matter how evil they are.

Anyway, per the OP: Every religion is going to insult the new kid and say they aren't worshiping the same God if their religions care about such a thing. I'm sure Canaan didn't think Hebrews were right. Jews didn't think Christians were right. Christians don't think Islam is right. They all don't think Baha'i is right, etc. It's a theological version of "those whippersnappers don't appreciate music like MY generation did".
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
All of the Qur'an is the word of Allah.


...If Jesus is Yahweh, and Muslims worship Yahweh, logically they are worshiping Jesus as the two are equal, are they not?[/quote] They don't see it as such. In Islam Jesus is called, Isa.

But now I see you follow a man who, like Jesus, thought he is the most awesomest awesome to ever awesome and people are literally saying he is better than Jesus and is God Himself. Clearly, deification of human beings just isn't that hard, no matter how evil they are.
Not only does that make no sense, I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm a Christian. I don't follow a man who, like Jesus....
 

sooda

Veteran Member
God is defined by how He has revealed Himself to humanity.

The god of Islam, revealed through one man thousands of years after Judaism, and centuries after Christianity, is simply not the same god.

Certainly that one man appropriated parts of both religions, nevertheless his god is not the same God as that of Jews and Christians.

Judaism really didn't exist until AFTER the Babylonian exile. That's when the tribe wrote a history, identity and laws for themselves to keep them separate from the other Canaanites.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The general Islamic view is yes, they worship the same God.

I'm not certain about the Christian view. It appears to vary quite a bit which is why I am particularly interested in the Christian view on this.

Why do you think they worship the same God/different Gods?

I believe once one gets to know God and how He talks then it is easy to recognize Him in the writings.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
The people who went into captivity were not Jews re religion ? What is your evidence
The pentateuch was written 800 years after the death of Moses and based on ancient myths from the ugaritic tablets and Babylon.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Every individual's idea of god is probably at least a wee bit different from most everyone else's idea.

I know that didn't help, so allow me to add that Sufism -- which is the only area of Islam I feel I might have even minimal knowledge of -- has a concept of deity that is only vaguely similar to any Christian concept I know of, outside of certain Christian mystics. But Sufism is not mainstream Islam. Anyway, for what it's worth.

I believe Sufiism could be compared to the Hasidim and the Pentecostals.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Muslims, as far as I know, aren't Trinitarian. Neither was Jesus or his disciples.

I believe that is because of false interpretation and teaching. That would be like saying the Roman Catholics don't believe in God because they believe that baptizing babies makes them Christians.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
No,
Christians worship the Trinity, of which the Father is in Heaven, the Holy Spirit lives in us, and Jesus lived amongst us.
This Jesus was crucified, and rode from the dead.
That is the Christian God.
The Islamic God does not know a Trinity, It denies the Divinity of Jesus, and calls the Holy Ghost either Muhammad, or Gibriel.

the Quran is clear!
It wants us to believe that we worship the same God in Surra 29:46.
But in Surra 4: 157 it denies that Jesus died on the cross.

We have the 1400 year old conclusion.
The Bible say Jesus was crucified, the Quran says no, He was not.

Christianity is a religion where the Trinity is worshipped, as one God, The Quran thinks the Trinity is 3 gods, and actually understands it as a Father, a physical son of God, and Mary, the mother of God.
I do not even consider Muhammad as a prophet of YHWH. He was a prophet of an imposter Angel, Gibriel.
In the Bible Jesus spoke to this angel, there he is called Legion
!

I believe that is Biblically correct. Jesus did not die on the cross; His body did. However the Muslims not underrstanding that because they don't understand the Bible where there is more information on this come up with all kinds of fairy tales to explain the verse.

I believe again you have to understand this from God's perspective. Jesus was not fully crucified so in His opinion He was not.

I believe that is a false interpretation of the Qu'ran.

I believe this is flat out bolderdash. I would love to see what kind of text you have for that.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Isaiah 44:6 (NASB95)6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
‘I am the first and I am the last,And there is no God besides Me.



Isaiah 53 (CJB)
53 Who believes our report?
To whom is the arm of Adonai revealed?
2 For before him he grew up like a young plant,
like a root out of dry ground.
He was not well-formed or especially handsome;
we saw him, but his appearance did not attract us.
3 People despised and avoided him,
a man of pains, well acquainted with illness.
Like someone from whom people turn their faces,
he was despised; we did not value him.

4 In fact, it was our diseases he bore,
our pains from which he suffered;
yet we regarded him as punished,
stricken and afflicted by God.
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes,
crushed because of our sins;
the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him,
and by his bruises* we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, went astray;
we turned, each one, to his own way;
yet Adonai laid on him
the guilt of all of us.

7 Though mistreated, he was submissive —
he did not open his mouth.
Like a lamb led to be slaughtered,
like a sheep silent before its shearers,
he did not open his mouth.
8 After forcible arrest and sentencing,
he was taken away;
and none of his generation protested
his being cut off from the land of the living
for the crimes of my people,
who deserved the punishment themselves.
9 He was given a grave among the wicked;
in his death he was with a rich man.

Although he had done no violence
and had said nothing deceptive,
10 yet it pleased Adonai to crush him with illness,
to see if he would present himself as a guilt offering.
If he does, he will see his offspring;
and he will prolong his days;
and at his hand Adonai’s desire
will be accomplished.
11 After this ordeal, he will see satisfaction.
“By his knowing [pain and sacrifice],
my righteous servant makes many righteous;
it is for their sins that he suffers.
12 Therefore I will assign him a share with the great,
he will divide the spoil with the mighty,
for having exposed himself to death
and being counted among the sinners,
while actually bearing the sin of many
and interceding for the offenders.”

Brother. I didn't ask for a cut and paste brother. Anyone can go and read this.

The question I asked was this. Again,

"So you believe that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Jesus Christ? Okay. So you believe its a prophesy about Jesus who is the messiah.

Hypothetically lets say I agree (I say again, hypothetically), how does that make that associated to God? What does that have to do with God? Does that make Jesus God? What is your position?"


That was my question.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Brother. I didn't ask for a cut and paste brother. Anyone can go and read this.

The question I asked was this. Again,

"So you believe that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Jesus Christ? Okay. So you believe its a prophesy about Jesus who is the messiah.

Hypothetically lets say I agree (I say again, hypothetically), how does that make that associated to God? What does that have to do with God? Does that make Jesus God? What is your position?"


That was my question.

The suffering servant is Israel NOT Jesus.

According to tradition first appearing in the Talmud, a compendium of Jewish law redacted in Babylonia at about 500 CE (Bava Batra 14b-15a), the Book of Isaiah was written by King Hezekiah, who reigned from 715 to 686 BCE, and his aides.
Reference: www.haaretz.com/jewish/who-really-wrote-the-book-of-isaiah-1.5431430
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
Brother. I didn't ask for a cut and paste brother. Anyone can go and read this.

The question I asked was this. Again,

"So you believe that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 is Jesus Christ? Okay. So you believe its a prophesy about Jesus who is the messiah.

Hypothetically lets say I agree (I say again, hypothetically), how does that make that associated to God? What does that have to do with God? Does that make Jesus God? What is your position?"


That was my question.
Oh, I know what you asked. I shard the scriptures that would inform you of Isaiah 53 so that you would see it clearly speaks of Messiah Jesus if you know the New Testament.

The other verse is simply to tell you that in the NT Jesus is in various scriptures identified as God.There is none other than the one God and that means Jesus was God because Jesus was The Word made flesh.
Even prior to his birth. The child was to be called, Emmanuel, "God with us".
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Oh, I know what you asked. I shard the scriptures that would inform you of Isaiah 53 so that you would see it clearly speaks of Messiah Jesus if you know the New Testament.

The other verse is simply to tell you that in the NT Jesus is in various scriptures identified as God.There is none other than the one God and that means Jesus was God because Jesus was The Word made flesh.
Even prior to his birth. The child was to be called, Emmanuel, "God with us".

It doesn't say "to be called". Thats an intentional mistranslation.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
No.Muslims don't worship Muhamed.
Do you remember the naming teddy bear “Muhammad” incident, some years ago?

Where some Muslims were so outraged that that British school-teacher let one of her pupils to name stuff toy “Muhammad” that they wanted to have her either flogged or executed or both, for blasphemy.

It drew international attention, and some Muslims were just as vocal as the Sudanese Muslims about torturing or executing the school-teacher.

In most religions blasphemy were reserved for profanity against any deity, not for against a human representative, like a prophet in this incident.

By using the blasphemy charges, they are essentially equating a prophet with a god.

And most Muslims, even today considered Muhammad to be infallible and inerrant like Allah.

Those types of elevations of a person with god-like status, is the same as idol-worshipping, or what people called them today, hero-worshipping, total reverence and adoration to their prophet.
 
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