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Not in the case of the courts on this issue.You are mistaken in thinking perception of the phrase lacks significance. Rather, it is the most significant.
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Not in the case of the courts on this issue.You are mistaken in thinking perception of the phrase lacks significance. Rather, it is the most significant.
We've had to modify the system over the centuries....God has been inserted into the secular system since the inception of this country.
Please elaborate if you would on this part of your post: "...And we still need to get rid of the state religion."We've had to modify the system over the centuries.
Slavery got the boot.
Women got the vote.
And we still need to get rid of the state religion.
Progress doesn't end.
The vestiges of Christianity, of course....Please elaborate if you would on this part of your post: "...And we still need to get rid of the state religion."
Amended years ago by the alternative that allows a witness to affirm.The vestiges of Christianity, of course....
- Christian oath in court
Historic evidences. Not likely to be removed.- Christian scripture on government buildings
There is no draft anymore. The American military became an all voluntary force in 1973.- Religious exemption from being drafted for military service
One can freely choose not to say God when saying the pledge. People who believe in God are free to do the opposite. The pledge didn't include God at its inception. Not likely it will regress.Christian version of the Pledge Of Allegiance
Separation of church and state. Others besides religious entities are able to employ the tax exemption code if they qualify. To say churches and religious entities are precluded from that when others are entitled would be a violation.Tax exemptions for churches
I've covered this before.Amended years ago by the alternative that allows a witness to affirm.
Yet they're still being installed on buildings according to news.Historic evidences. Not likely to be removed.
Registering for the draft is still required of males, unless they're trans.There is no draft anymore.
One young lad was recently arrested for refusing to say the pledge.One can freely choose not to say God when saying the pledge.
I don't oppose churches getting the same breaks as other non-profits.Separation of church and state. Others besides religious entities are able to employ the tax exemption code if they qualify. To say churches and religious entities are precluded from that when others are entitled would be a violation.
I remember when now deceased actor Marlon Brando was being sworn in at his son Christian's murder trial. The clerk stood there without a bible for Brando to place his hand on, as I recall, and gave the Christain oath. At the end of the oath Brando said, "No."I've covered this before.
My personal experience in court is that the Christian oath is the default.
One must request something secular, which notifies the judge & jury
that one is possibly not Christian.
I'll take your word on that. I have not seen such broadcasts. Not saying they haven't occurred.Yet they're still being installed on buildings according to news.
We've been discussing such new requirements recently here.
That's the "Selective Service" form.Registering for the draft is still required of males, unless they're trans.
I can't say I don't foresee a day when the draft will be reinstated. It's a weird new world. However, I do think conscientious objectors should be exempt from battle.If reactivated, it applies only to non-trans males with low lottery numbers.
Just think of it....forced gambling for one's civil liberties.
Is this the story you're referring to?One young lad was recently arrested for refusing to say the pledge.
And the default is the Christian version.
The 501(c)3 churches are privileged to exercise isn't a special exemption.I don't oppose churches getting the same breaks as other non-profits.
But I do oppose special exemptions.
That could've posed problems.I remember when now deceased actor Marlon Brando was being sworn in at his son Christian's murder trial. The clerk stood there without a bible for Brando to place his hand on, as I recall, and gave the Christain oath. At the end of the oath Brando said, "No."
The clerk so use to witnesses affirming turned to go and then stopped cold and looked back at Brando. Murmurs could be heard through the courtroom.
Then they proceeded to give the secular oath.
501c3 treatment I'm aware of, & don't challenge.My court experiences have been both. The Christian default oath in some courtrooms, and in others, the secular. No option, just the affirmation itself. Besides that, what Christian's don't realize is that the Bible prohibits the swearing to God in such an oath.
James 5:12 But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment
9 Bible verses about Not Swearing Oaths
I'll take your word on that. I have not seen such broadcasts. Not saying they haven't occurred.
That's the "Selective Service" form.
I can't say I don't foresee a day when the draft will be reinstated. It's a weird new world. However, I do think conscientious objectors should be exempt from battle.
If I were in a war I wouldn't want someone watching my back that didn't want to be there.
Is this the story you're referring to?
Fla. boy's arrest not over pledge but for disturbance, police say
The 501(c)3 churches are privileged to exercise isn't a special exemption.
No, specifically in the case of the courts on this issue.Not in the case of the courts on this issue.
I am always on a roll, i figured you must've been eating that brain food to notice today.Interesting question.
I say no it is in the unique position to dismiss suits which lack merit.
This is a power no private entity has, ie, a unique asymmetry.
But the reverse should be "loser pay" because it would be a
powerful tool to keep government in check.
You're on a roll today.
Have you been eating brain food?
This isn't necessarily true. Religion in schools is distinguished from religion in the general public. So it would be a mistake to assume they would decline the case on the basis that you have stated here.
I do however agree that the motto will stay, unless overwhelming evidence of christians using it to proclaim religion surfaces. Let us not pretend that many Christians do not see this as a way to get "God" into schools in a "gotcha" manner.
This high opinion of your recent posting is all due to haggis.I am always on a roll, i figured you must've been eating that brain food to notice today.
Not so far.No, specifically in the case of the courts on this issue.
No, they gave him the secular oath that he did swear to. His son was later found guilty. Christian is passed on now too as is MB's daughter Cheyenne. Sad.That could've posed problems.
I don't see a problem. It integrates with the 501(c)3.501c3 treatment I'm aware of, & don't challenge.
But that isn't all churches get....
Ministers Receive Special "Clergy Tax" Treatment.
It's standard in the minds of those with a church. They don't realize they're a church and are tax exempt on their face without crossing the border of separation by applying for IRS tax exemption.It's common for Christians to not detect the integration of their religion
with government. I wouldn't expect them to notice how it adversely
affects non-Christians. But as one of the latter, I'm more acutely aware.
Would you prefer they were not exempt? There are clergy in the military. Even at wartime.For example, how many Christians complain about their ordained clergy
being exempt from the draft? None that I've heard.
How do you ensure that "freedom of religion" is maintained? One way is to prohibit "In God We Trust" signs from being put up in public places.Yes, the Constitution pertains to the secular, however its first unalienable guarantee is freedom of religion.
I think we've covered everything.No, they gave him the secular oath that he did swear to. His son was later found guilty. Christian is passed on now too as is MB's daughter Cheyenne. Sad.
I don't see a problem. It integrates with the 501(c)3.
It's standard in the minds of those with a church. They don't realize they're a church and are tax exempt on their face without crossing the border of separation by applying for IRS tax exemption.
Once they get that exemption they're under that control.
It doesn't affect non-Christians in the least. FFRF has a tax exempt status.
Would you prefer they were not exempt? There are clergy in the military. Even at wartime.
Religion invented god.
Considering everyone we were talking about there is dead, yeah.I think we've covered everything.
I can't think of anything to add.
Boring, eh.
Look at what we're arguing over, 'god' being inserted into public schools for all to see.How do you ensure that "freedom of religion" is maintained? One way is to prohibit "In God We Trust" signs from being put up in public places.
I realize that you don't understand that.
I in no way assumed you endorsed it. I stated that the motto on the dollar is different than the motto in schools.My point was in reference to signing a code of conduct. It had nothing to do with the Motto.
Do not confuse me pointing out thus case is a lost cause right now is endorsing the motto or pretending it has nothing to do with Christians. SCOTUS declined to hear this year's motto case. To pursue the case is beating a dead until SCOTUS changes from the 4/4/1.