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In God We Trust’ signs going up at public schools all over South Dakota

ecco

Veteran Member
Or I have another idea. Let's put the God and prayers and all of that on Christian schools instead of public schools. Let's let everyone put their own religious stuff on their own religious schools and let the public schools be without. What do you think? That way, the Christians won't look like they are trying to control others which is not a Christian thing to do.

I have an even better idea.
  • Put Christian religious phrases on Temples and Mosques
  • Put Jewish religious phrases on Mosques and Churches.
  • Put Muslim religious phrases on Temples and Churches.
What do you think?
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
I have an even better idea.
  • Put Christian religious phrases on Temples and Mosques
  • Put Jewish religious phrases on Mosques and Churches.
  • Put Muslim religious phrases on Temples and Churches.
What do you think?

I could deal with that. All religions are pretty much the same to me. They were all created by errant man. None are perfect. That's why I'm spiritual but not religious.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
But we pushy obnoxious people are increasing in number.

Actually, Christians are decreasing. Non-believers and Islamics are increasing. The rest are pretty much staying the same. Do some research. Find out the truth. I think the non-believers are tired of listening to the pretend Christians with all of their anger, hatred and obnoxiousness, exactly the opposite of what Jesus said to do. As I said, pretend Christians.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Actually, Christians are decreasing. Non-believers and Islamics are increasing. The rest are pretty much staying the same. Do some research. Find out the truth. I think the non-believers are tired of listening to the pretend Christians with all of their anger, hatred and obnoxiousness, exactly the opposite of what Jesus said to do. As I said, pretend Christians.
I can speak only for us pushy obnoxious atheists.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
That's not referring to the christian god though. "Creator" means something different to deists than it does to christians.

No one is disputing that. I'm sure a denomination of christianity that most Americans aren't today. We're talking about the founding fathers and their crafting of the constitution. It didn't matter to them that the majority of the population followed christ.
The point is the FF's understood the problem with religion intertwining with the government and declared so in the founding documents. They didn't want god on the money, they didn't want god added to the pledge. If they did, it would have been done at the beginning.

Just because the population is majority christian (slowly declining), doesn't give you the right to start introducing biblically inspired legislation to subvert the secular constitution.

For far too many years elected officials have ignored this clearly un-constitutional act

I'm glad that you also mentioned that Christianity is declining.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
If the Bill of Rights is based on Christianity why isn't Jesus Christ mentioned in it?

If the Constitution is based on Christianity why isn't Jesus Christ mentioned in it?
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
Actually, Christians are decreasing.
No, not actually.

christianity on the increase usa at DuckDuckGo

Although Christian persecution is rising. That must be what makes you happy.

Non-believers and Islamics are increasing. The rest are pretty much staying the same. Do some research. Find out the truth. I think the non-believers are tired of listening to the pretend Christians with all of their anger, hatred and obnoxiousness, exactly the opposite of what Jesus said to do. As I said, pretend Christians.
The hatred you display for Christians preclude you from judging who would actually be in Christ.
You have my deepest sympathies.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
No, not actually.

christianity on the increase usa at DuckDuckGo

Although Christian persecution is rising. That must be what makes you happy.

The hatred you display for Christians preclude you from judging who would actually be in Christ.
You have my deepest sympathies.

No, actually, that isn't true. I can read the Bible and see what Jesus said then I can compare that to how "Christians" are acting today.
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
No, actually, that isn't true. I can read the Bible and see what Jesus said then I can compare that to how "Christians" are acting today.
Again, based on your very clear disdain for Christians your view is corrupted by the veil of hate through which you view Christians. The Bible is not meant to be understood by unbelievers.The Way of Jesus as Jesus demonstrated is meant to be discussed in a civil manner. Which isn't possible as per your examples.
That's why we pray for people disabled by such a debilitating condition. Hatred destroys the hater, not the hated.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Again, based on your very clear disdain for Christians your view is corrupted by the veil of hate through which you view Christians.
You're free to believe whatever you want in America. Keep it out of the public system or you'll have people standing up for the secular constitution.

Atheists = defenders of the secular constitution.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I can read the Bible and see what Jesus said then I can compare that to how "Christians" are acting today.
Yep, and as within all religions, there are some who talk-the-talk but don't walk-the-walk, and Jesus warned us about them in his Parable of the Sheep & Goats (Matthew 25).
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
I believe this will stir the stink pot as well as keep the courts busy as christians and FFRF battle this one out.

SOUTH DAKOTA– For the new school year, South Dakota public schools will be required to display the national motto: “In God We Trust.”

A bill signed by Gov. Kristi Noem mandates that the words be on display for students to see beginning in the 2019-2020 school year.

The display can be on anything the principal feels is appropriate for their school, like a plaque or student artwork.
But there are requirements. The display must be at least 12 inches square and must be in a prominent location.

‘In God We Trust’ signs going up at public schools all over South Dakota – FOX31 Denver

It's part of Project Blitz. Fundies know their religion is dying and they are fighting like heck to preserve it by force. Thankfully the current generation does not fall for that stuff so easily.
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
You're free to believe whatever you want in America. Keep it out of the public system or you'll have people standing up for the secular constitution.

Atheists = defenders of the secular constitution.
Radical atheists are fools standing on each others feet.
America was founded with a secular government. Yes, the Constitution pertains to the secular, however its first unalienable guarantee is freedom of religion. Not freedom from religion. Rad A's hate that.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
The IRS has a great deal of power...they can take one's money
without a trial. A trial, of course, has the presumption of innocence.
But IRS actions have a lesser standard to meet.
I am not sure what you know about standards here: are you talking evidentiary standards? Or are you suggesting one is completely without due process?

I am not going to disagree with you that the IRS has a great deal of power. You were speaking of a crime, i addressed that aspect.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am not sure what you know about standards here: are you talking evidentiary standards? Or are you suggesting one is completely without due process?
The IRS process is not "due" in the constitutional sense.
I am not going to disagree with you that the IRS has a great deal of power. You were speaking of a crime, i addressed that aspect.
I used the term "crime" in the sense that whether the taxpayer
is guilty or innocent, one is treated as guilty by the IRS until
one can prove one's innocence.
 
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