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Quote about the origin of violence?

Jedster

Well-Known Member
I have not used in to harm others and will not use force to harm others As a Buddhist i live a peaceful life, and if others harm me that is their problem

Most people lead peaceful lives and have no wish to harm others, even people who have never heard of Buddhism.
All I am saying is......never mind you are a real saint. :)
 

Road Less Traveled

Active Member
A few different things.

Words, labels, poor pride in the immature have caused a lot of harm, and dissent. They stimulate and trigger poor character in the immature, due to how they’ve been psychologically trained/conditioned, and manipulated in order to cause divide and keep people as far away from mental equilibrium as possible.

For the mature, words and labels are futile, irrelevant, and can be used peacefully, and also seen right through as to how they are used as a tool to trigger all of the immature marionettes to attack and try to humiliate others with their loaded preconceptions.

Yet for the mature with a twisted agenda, they know precisely how to manipulate and psychologically trigger the immature marionettes.
Not only are they used to trigger poor character in people and psychologically manipulate them.... they are also used to keep people weak, and easily offended by mere words, as well as keeping their discernment/judgement/BS detector’s/compass’s way off accuracy.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Does a pupa that separates itself by building a caccoon around itself for its self transformation cause violence? Nope.
 

OUAD BAR

New Member
Not entirely confident where this post belongs ... so I stuck it here. Move it if you like ...

Hope you're all well

Just cruising and found this quote -

jiddu-krishnamurti-474606.jpg


TOP 25 QUOTES BY JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI (of 628) | A-Z Quotes

Let me know whether you agree with it or not!

Have a great day!
Humans cooperate; primates competes. Always been this way. Humans evolve into better humans and primates into more efficient primates. The belief that primates evolve into humans along a consciousness continuum is wishfull . Mankind doesn't exist either. Only what's being breathed before you. So in the end all there is is dust capable of awareness being breathed. JK went some distance amongst the landscape he was made in but lags behind.
 

OUAD BAR

New Member
The origin of violence is in our evolution. Our brains evolved to separate people into different groups, just as it evolved to enable violence.

Wishy-washy utopian fantasies of human unity and the 'total understanding of mankind' are harmful and stand as a barrier to (more) peaceful coexistence.
Had you witnessed a human entering the flesh with the first breath you'd limit evolution to now. Watching a being enter the robot surpasses memory and all thoughts. You are trapped in Chapel Perilous. There's no brain, no us, no evolution. There's only breath trying to clean house.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Not entirely confident where this post belongs ... so I stuck it here. Move it if you like ...

Hope you're all well

Just cruising and found this quote -

jiddu-krishnamurti-474606.jpg


TOP 25 QUOTES BY JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI (of 628) | A-Z Quotes

Let me know whether you agree with it or not!

Have a great day!

The 20th Century was going to be a wonderful time - the end of monarchies and the end
of religion as a force.
About 200,000,000 people died through secular causes -- nationalism, Communism,
racism, Fascism etc..
Some were shot in the back of the head; many died in wars; lots died in Gulags and
"re-education" centers but mostly they died through ideological famines.
But hey, religion can't be blamed.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I try to be as non-violent and non-labeling as possible but when I see that some people are verbally or physically violent, I am concerned. I try to understand their reasoning but sometimes it is just narcissism, selfishness, greed and hardheartedness.

Seems like qualities(?) that a prospective presidential candidate might have to get elected - and did. :oops:
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Does a pupa that separates itself by building a caccoon around itself for its self transformation cause violence? Nope.
I think you're completely missing the point. You're sitting here thinking that there are some non-descript "outsiders" who are coming in and being violent against groups who adopt tribe-mentality, or segment themselves off as a group. That isn't what the quote is talking about. It is not talking about violence against groups because they define themselves as groups. It is talking about the idea that making groups at all is perhaps at the root of violence itself. So... you want to all call yourselves "Christian", and then when you come across some other group of people who is different than your group, you're appalled, and express your distaste for their practices. They do the same... and now there is animosity between you - a potential for violence.

You can call it "victim blaming" all you want... but the I believe the quote insists that anyone who engages in this sort of separation (grouping together under a banner of religion, nationalism/patriotism, culturalism, etc.) is BOTH the victim AND the perpetrator!
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Hope you're all well
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Let me know whether you agree with it or not!
Yeah, Geoff-Allen, I am well and kicking. Thanks for your concern. :)
No. I do not agree with Jiddu on this point as well as on many other points. He was not practical and that shows in his present quote, utopian.
We will have our various differences, but in spite of them, we can live together peacefully. Differences need not make one cut others' throats. Many countries of today's world are examples of that.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Humans cooperate; primates competes. Always been this way. Humans evolve into better humans and primates into more efficient primates. The belief that primates evolve into humans along a consciousness continuum is wishfull . Mankind doesn't exist either. Only what's being breathed before you. So in the end all there is is dust capable of awareness being breathed. JK went some distance amongst the landscape he was made in but lags behind.

I think you need to do more research into animal behaviour (and possibly human behaviour). Primates also cooperate - as in being in social groups so often - and humans compete all too often. Not sure what 'better humans' means given our propensity for killing each other in wars - have they ended suddenly? And how does that differ from 'more efficient primates', when we evolve to kill each other in more efficient ways?

I think it takes a very closed mind to not see consciousness in the behaviours of so many different species - from the squirrels who apparently mislead others as to where they might bury food, the many species who use tools, one species of octopus that uses pebbles and shells to disguise themselves from predators, and some primates who seem to display a high level of understanding regarding trickery (and subsequently are in hysterics just as much as any human). There appears to be a common thread here - they seem to be reflecting upon the consequences of their or another's actions. Not consciousness?


(actually an Orangutan)
 
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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I think you're completely missing the point. You're sitting here thinking that there are some non-descript "outsiders" who are coming in and being violent against groups who adopt tribe-mentality, or segment themselves off as a group. That isn't what the quote is talking about. It is not talking about violence against groups because they define themselves as groups. It is talking about the idea that making groups at all is perhaps at the root of violence itself. So... you want to all call yourselves "Christian", and then when you come across some other group of people who is different than your group, you're appalled, and express your distaste for their practices. They do the same... and now there is animosity between you - a potential for violence.

You can call it "victim blaming" all you want... but the I believe the quote insists that anyone who engages in this sort of separation (grouping together under a banner of religion, nationalism/patriotism, culturalism, etc.) is BOTH the victim AND the perpetrator!
If a person says, I'm not a muslim, christian, jew, pagan, agnostic, atheist, Indian, American, European, Asian, African, etc, is that person not separating themselves from others?
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
I would say it all comes down to higher and lower states of consciousness, which tend to unity and diversity in their perceptions, respectively.

A higher state of consciousness tends to be positive, optimistic and more disposed to seeing a person as a friend rather than an enemy or other negative perceptions.

Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends? - Abraham Lincoln


Awareness sees reality as it is, and makes the best of the situation, while unconscious minds view the situation from the lens of their conditioning, are incapable of viewing things holistically and realistically, and tends to worsen the situation.

Buddha transforming the serial killer Angulimala into a harmless monk is an example of mindfulness overcoming unconsciousness.
 

A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
If a person says, I'm not a muslim, christian, jew, pagan, agnostic, atheist, Indian, American, European, Asian, African, etc, is that person not separating themselves from others?
How about the person who only ever adamantly states that they are a fellow human being?
 

Geoff-Allen

Resident megalomaniac
But hey, religion can't be blamed

The problem is faulty reasoning - whether that is secular or religious makes little difference when you are on the receiving end of the violence I am sure ...

Not ALL people who label themselves & others will become violent but no violence exists without the individual being in denial & confused about how to experience a joyful existence on this planet.

Of course I may be wrong - I never claimed to be inflammable!

All the best!
 
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