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What do you think of Matthew 27:46-50?

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
"About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·liʹjah.” 48 And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it in sour wine and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49 But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·liʹjah comes to save him.” 50 Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit."

What is it that you don't understand? This is the man whom God sustained, 'not allowing his foot to strike a stone', (Psalm 91:11-12) who is now to give up his life. It is apparent that Jesus felt the withdrawal of his Father's protective holy spirit as he must, in order for his son to die and give his life for mankind.

Christ yielding up his "spirit" (breath) is badly translated "ghost" in some translations. This gives a false impression of what happened.
To yield up your spirit was to breathe your last breath. (Psalm 146:4) It means the end of conscious life until the resurrection.
 

Frank Goad

Well-Known Member
"About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·liʹjah.” 48 And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it in sour wine and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49 But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·liʹjah comes to save him.” 50 Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit."

What is it that you don't understand? This is the man whom God sustained, 'not allowing his foot to strike a stone', (Psalm 91:11-12) who is now to give up his life. It is apparent that Jesus felt the withdrawal of his Father's protective holy spirit as he must, in order for his son to die and give his life for mankind.

Christ yielding up his "spirit" (breath) is badly translated "ghost" in some translations. This gives a false impression of what happened.
To yield up your spirit was to breathe your last breath. (Psalm 146:4) It means the end of conscious life until the resurrection.

Thanks you nailed it.:)
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What do you think of Matthew 27:46-50?
This shows where the Jews have rejected the father (El Elyon - God Most High), as they've muddled the language up since the Babylonian exile.

Since they no longer accept that EL (H410) is the Source of our reality, and Elohim (H430) are Divine Beings... Eloh (H433) is a singular Divine Being, and Plural of El is Elim.

Thus this shows how they've confused the language two thousand years ago, as someone didn't understand Yeshua was stating 'My God', which is 'Eli', and thus they thought he meant Elijah. :oops:

It also prophetically indicates Yeshua/Yehoshua is David suffering at the hands of the Lions of Judah, which he prophesied about himself.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
This shows where the Jews have rejected the father (El Elyon - God Most High), as they've muddled the language up since the Babylonian exile.

Since they no longer accept that EL (H410) is the Source of our reality, and Elohim (H430) are Divine Beings... Eloh (H433) is a singular Divine Being, and Plural of El is Elim.

Thus this shows how they've confused the language two thousand years ago, as someone didn't understand Yeshua was stating 'My God', which is 'Eli', and thus they thought he meant Elijah. :oops:

It also prophetically indicates Yeshua/Yehoshua is David suffering at the hands of the Lions of Judah, which he prophesied about himself.

In my opinion. :innocent:
I often read, the idea that the religion was muddled because of the Babylonian exile; I don't believe that, personally, however, what is your belief concerning that idea?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I often read, the idea that the religion was muddled because of the Babylonian exile; I don't believe that, personally, however, what is your belief concerning that idea?
What I understand to have happened is due to the Babylonians having polytheism, where it was a continuation of the Canaanite deities, the Jews went opposite to them.

Thus whereas the Bible teaches a Divine Council of Elohim (Psalms 82:1, Deuteronomy 32:7-9, etc), and one God Most High (El Elyon); as does the Quran (38:69, 37:8).

Moses prophesied that the Elohim of other nations, would become a Snare to them (Deuteronomy 7:16); they thought it was from agreeing, and it is from going opposite to the point of confusing the theology...

There is one Source/EL, then 24 Elders/Elohim surrounding the Source, which interact with reality.

Polytheism was taking the 24 Elders, and making them into gods; when they're only divine aspects of the One Source.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
"About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·liʹjah.” 48 And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it in sour wine and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49 But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·liʹjah comes to save him.” 50 Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit."

What is it that you don't understand? This is the man whom God sustained, 'not allowing his foot to strike a stone', (Psalm 91:11-12) who is now to give up his life. It is apparent that Jesus felt the withdrawal of his Father's protective holy spirit as he must, in order for his son to die and give his life for mankind.

Christ yielding up his "spirit" (breath) is badly translated "ghost" in some translations. This gives a false impression of what happened.
To yield up your spirit was to breathe your last breath. (Psalm 146:4) It means the end of conscious life until the resurrection.

In Trinitarianism Jesus doesn't give up his life only his body dies.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Thanks you nailed it.:)
The trinitarians will tell you that Jesus really didn't die because a dead man can't go and preach to "the spirits in prison". What they fail to understand is that the text says that the spirit of Christ was in Noah who preached to the people about the coming flood. The same spirit that dwelt in Christ was the spirit which dwelt in Noah during the 120 years the ark was in building. Those (spirits) who drowned in the flood were locked up in the prison house (abyss) of the grave and dead men can not preach to dead men. Yep, Jesus really died!
 

calm

Active Member
The trinitarians will tell you that Jesus really didn't die because a dead man can't go and preach to "the spirits in prison". What they fail to understand is that the text says that the spirit of Christ was in Noah who preached to the people about the coming flood. The same spirit that dwelt in Christ was the spirit which dwelt in Noah during the 120 years the ark was in building. Those (spirits) who drowned in the flood were locked up in the prison house (abyss) of the grave and dead men can not preach to dead men. Yep, Jesus really died!
Only Jesus body died, but his soul was in paradise for 3 days.
When Jesus said to the criminal on the cross: "Today you will be with me in Paradise.- Luke 23:43 then he meant that literally.
And Paradise is not heaven.
 
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calm

Active Member
I thought only Jude quoted from the book of Enoch.
No, also Jesus quotes from the book Enoch. And that even very often, when I read the book I was very surprised about it.
But Jesus does not mention, as for example in Psalm 22:1/Matthew 27:46, that he does quote.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
No, also Jesus quotes from the book Enoch. And that even very often, when I read the book I was very surprised about it.
But Jesus does not mention, as for example in Psalm 22:1/Matthew 27:46, that he does quote.

I am going to look into this. What do you think are the repercussions of Jesus quoting from the book of Enoch? Would it mean that Christians should include that book in the canon?
 

calm

Active Member
I am going to look into this. What do you think are the repercussions of Jesus quoting from the book of Enoch? Would it mean that Christians should include that book in the canon?
The Book of Enoch is clearly God's Word. It does not contradict the Bible once but confirms it.
And that Jesus, the apostles and even the prophets quote from the book, can't be a coincidence.
 

leov

Well-Known Member
Dressing up of the cry of someone who is being crucified and giving it an intended meaning.
Jesus said : "My God, for what purpose You left me behind?" it appears that God left Jesus's body and then Jesus's own soul / spirit left body.
 
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