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Is transitioning (transgender) a sin?

ADigitalArtist

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Does anyone fully understand endocrinology? We are subjected to a diet in this time in history unlike any other. We live in an artificial world with artificial food grown by artificial means. Our natural hormones are affected in ways we probably can't imagine. Auto-immune disorders are also epidemic as a result of this, as are so many other problems presenting themselves in explosive numbers today. Medical science is left scratching its head. People are sick and tired of there being no solutions to their increasing health problems....mental and physical.
If that were simply the case you'd expect to see people who eat least amount of processed food to have least occurances and that does not seem to be the case. Dysphoria, third genderism and other gender identities arise from your average New York city Joe to the most organic based family in Hokkaido to native tribal nomads.
Don't get me wrong, overconsumption of processed foods cause a lot of things. This just isn't one of them.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Dome is usually a rounded vault forming the roof of a building or structure, typically with a circular base. It is possible that sphere is surrounded by a rounded vault (=dome). Thing can be a dome, even if it has not circular base.

If dome would be possible only on flat disc, these would not exist:

https://www.google.fi/search?biw=1549&bih=872&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=Kw86Xf3kL8WqrgSPsYS4AQ&q=dome+building&oq=dome+building&gs_l=img.3..0i19l8j0i5i30i19l2.84601.86750..87009...0.0..0.194.1511.0j13......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i67j0.kyfZB4yv9KQ&ved=0ahUKEwi9pvfP8tDjAhVFlYsKHY8YARcQ4dUDCAY&uact=5
They’re all flat on the bottom, sitting over a disc. Except for the ones that aren’t domes — they’re arches.

The point is, the sky isn’t a rigid dome. The Bible is wrong on that point.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
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If that were simply the case you'd expect to see people who eat least amount of processed food to have least occurances and that does not seem to be the case.

I was thinking more along the lines of meat consumption actually....beef, lamb and chicken have relied on artificially produced hormones to accelerate growth for years.

Dysphoria, third genderism and other gender identities arise from your average New York city Joe to the most organic based family in Hokkaido to native tribal nomads.

Whatever the cause, it seems that in recent years this problem has exploded to a frightening degree......to the point of obsession. We are having to haul our children out of the school system to home school them because the moral climate is becoming intolerable. The gender obsession has gotten way out of hand.

Don't get me wrong, overconsumption of processed foods cause a lot of things. This just isn't one of them.

We are what we eat....and even those who think that they eat well, if the food isn't organically grown, its not worth eating. Living food sustains living bodies...today's food is dead, devoid of enzymes and real nutrition....more to cater for long shelf life than nourishing bodies. Apparently it just has to taste good.

We over-consume pharma drugs that are not health promoting at all, but for the most part, band-aids to cover up symptoms. No one seems to notice that they never get well.

Every system that supposedly caters to human health and well being is actually only catering to their own greed. Someone always has something to sell you. This world is so corrupt and its people so easily manipulated, that you cannot trust any formerly trustworthy institution to tell you the truth anymore. The "swamp" is global and its due for a mighty big clean up.....soon I hope.
 

ADigitalArtist

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I was thinking more along the lines of meat consumption actually....beef, lamb and chicken have relied on artificially produced hormones to accelerate growth for years.
And vegetarian and vegan trans? Aforementioned tribal nations?
Whatever the cause, it seems that in recent years this problem has exploded to a frightening degree....
Not frightening for me. More frightened for their treatment by people.
In any case, don't confuse global telecommunications and increased studies for increased cases. The aforementioned PCOS is only being recently diagnosed and reported on, that's only because it used to be considered something else entirely. (Such as bearded lady circus freaks).
We are what we eat....and even those who think that they eat well, if the food isn't organically grown, its not worth eating. Living food sustains living bodies...today's food is dead, devoid of enzymes and real nutrition....more to cater for long shelf life than nourishing bodies. Apparently it just has to taste good.
This is an oversimplification of just about everything. Including how safe organic food is.
 

Deeje

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This is an oversimplification of just about everything. Including how safe organic food is.

I can only repeat....The "swamp" is global and its due for a mighty big clean up.....soon I hope.

Hope that is not oversimplifying....:D

It won't really matter how safe the organic food is if one never eats it in favor of the freely consumed, preservative packed junk food on supermarket shelves and in fast food restaurants.
People in western nations are digging a grave with their teeth. Is it a form of human culling I wonder? :shrug:
 

ADigitalArtist

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I can only repeat....The "swamp" is global and its due for a mighty big clean up.....soon I hope.

Hope that is not oversimplifying....:D

It won't really matter how safe the organic food is if one never eats it in favor of the freely consumed, preservative packed junk food on supermarket shelves and in fast food restaurants.
People in western nations are digging a grave with their teeth. Is it a form of human culling I wonder? :shrug:
Sigh.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I doubt it occurred in the kinds of numbers we are seeing today. Something is responsible....
Many things are seeming to occur more often because there are way more of us. As for transgender people, it's becoming more accepted, which makes it easier to come out and be yourself. Beyond that, we have no evidence to support hormonal imbalances cause people to be transgender.
Either way, you will identify with your own body. Would you wish for more than that?
Nope, because my body betrayed me in numerous ways. Such as, I have bowed shins and bad knees, and I hurt just about every day. That is my body. My body was born male, and has some features I can't get rid of.
However, I do identify with my brain and mind. They too are prone to hurt and injury, but that is where "I" am found.
 

1213

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They’re all flat on the bottom, sitting over a disc. Except for the ones that aren’t domes — they’re arches.

They are flat, because it is easier to build. If it would be possible to make them whole sphere, they would still be domes.

And here are images of arches, because you don’t seem to know what they are:
arch - Google Search

The point is, the sky isn’t a rigid dome. The Bible is wrong on that point.

Sky or atmosphere is not as dense as iron, but it is still rigid, because it remains in its shape.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
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Many things are seeming to occur more often because there are way more of us. As for transgender people, it's becoming more accepted, which makes it easier to come out and be yourself.
Why are there "more of us"? What do you think is causing this problem?

It appears to me to be something that is not just "accepted"...but "promoted" these days. When you have teachers in public schools encouraging pre-pubescent children to "come out" if they demonstrate the slightest propensity to be leaning towards behaving like the opposite sex, I think it's out of control. (This happened to a friend of mine so she hauled her son out of school.)
Planting ideas about gender with children who are not ready to confront gender issues is wrong. Let them just be kids. Let those kids as adults make those decisions.

In Australia a while ago, a mother took it upon herself to dispense HRT to her young teenage son entering puberty, who was having gender identity issues. He started to develop breasts and to display many female traits, yet as he got older, he realised that he didn't really want to be female, he actually wanted to be a gay male. So now there was all the complications of undoing the damage done by the hormones. He needed surgery to remove his breasts.
There are other cases like this.....leave the kids alone and allow them to make their own decisions when they are adults.

Beyond that, we have no evidence to support hormonal imbalances cause people to be transgender.

Whatever is causing it.....it's making its presence felt all over the world, even impacting on legal definitions by removing any reference to gender. For those who believe in God, it is not normal or natural to be in gender confusion. The sexes have only one purpose in nature....to procreate. You get to understand the problem when pregnancy becomes an unwanted side effect of one's sex life. Gay people don't have that problem because sex is not about having babies.

When sex becomes a purely physical act, I believe that it has lost sight of its noble intent.

Nope, because my body betrayed me in numerous ways. Such as, I have bowed shins and bad knees, and I hurt just about every day. That is my body. My body was born male, and has some features I can't get rid of.
However, I do identify with my brain and mind. They too are prone to hurt and injury, but that is where "I" am found.

God promises that, in the world to come, all will have perfect physical bodies with no gender confusion, no aging, no pain or sickness, and never losing loved ones to death.
All it requires is an understanding of why the world at present is such a hard place to live in, even if you have no gender issues. Everything it seems, is out of whack.

The Bible reveals that we are all under test here. Like all tests, we can either pass or fail. Wouldn't you like to know how to pass? Gender issues are just a small part of man's problems that need to be overcome. The Bible explains that God's enemy has taunted the Creator with the challenge that if he could make life tough, that we would all abandon God. Was he right?

I believe that any sacrifice will be worth it.....you may not.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
They are flat, because it is easier to build. If it would be possible to make them whole sphere, they would still be domes.

And here are images of arches, because you don’t seem to know what they are:
arch - Google Search



Sky or atmosphere is not as dense as iron, but it is still rigid, because it remains in its shape.
1) If they were spherical, they’d be spheres, not domes.
2) I know what an arch is. The Quonset hut images aren’t domes. They’re arches. Look up “Quonset hut.” They’re also known as “arch buildings,” due to their shape.
3) The Sky is composed of air. Air is neither rigid, nor hammered out. Nor does it retain its shape.

Your arguments are becoming more irritating and less ... arguments.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Why are there "more of us"? What do you think is causing this problem?
There's not much of a unknown to the why. We developed "modern convinces," and even before what we know as "modern" developments in transportation go along a booming population. Fewer wars and people being killed from them. Improvements in health and sanitation. The only real problem are those who believe we still must "be fruitful and multiple and replenish the earth." We have done too good at that one.
For those who believe in God, it is not normal or natural to be in gender confusion.
Oh well. It's not your life. Butt out.
And, BTW, its those who believe in YOUR god and adhere to YOUR dogma. Hindus are known for not really having any problems with us, and some believe Kali watches over us.
God promises that, in the world to come, all will have perfect physical bodies with no gender confusion, no aging, no pain or sickness, and never losing loved ones to death.
I'm not confused. If god did that to me, and made me be male, I would dedicate my entire existence to ending his. I would end up hating him, and I would hate him that much.
 

Shadow Wolf

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In Australia a while ago, a mother took it upon herself to dispense HRT to her young teenage son entering puberty, who was having gender identity issues. He started to develop breasts and to display many female traits, yet as he got older, he realised that he didn't really want to be female, he actually wanted to be a gay male. So now there was all the complications of undoing the damage done by the hormones. He needed surgery to remove his breasts.
There are other cases like this.....leave the kids alone and allow them to make their own decisions when they are adults.
And you have many more adults who had it so much harder than they had to because they weren't able to transition until after puberty. And under normal guidelines, hormones can't be started while someone is still a child.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
When sex becomes a purely physical act, I believe that it has lost sight of its noble intent.
PS, all animals ****. It can't be that noble if insects and rabbits and snakes and dogs are getting it on for the same process of procreation. And even pair-bonding, other animals **** for that too. It's sex. It's not just for making babies but to be enjoyed. It need not go up on a golden pedestal. The messy juices will make it kind of gross.
The Bible explains that God's enemy has taunted the Creator with the challenge that if he could make life tough, that we would all abandon God. Was he right?
Yup. Because crap just happens. I learned that after I left the church, and stopped seeing the devil in everything and everything bad and difficult being his fault. And having to accept that made me far more resilient to opposition. I don't have to wonder why anymore. I just accept it, and embrace it as a part of life.
 
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Deeje

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PS, all animals ****. It can't be that noble if insects and rabbits and snacks and dogs are getting it on for the same process of procreation. And even pair-bonding, other animals **** for that too. It's sex.

We are not animals. We alone have a moral sense that animals lack. Pair-bonding in the animal kingdom is not based on choice but on instinct. All actions in the animal kingdom are programmed into their DNA.

It's not just for making babies but to be enjoyed. It need not go up on a golden pedestal. The messy juices will make it kind of gross.

In the animal world sex is purely for procreation. I have bred dogs for years and I can assure you that a female will repel all attempts to mate until she is ovulating, then she behaves like a whore. The perpetuation of all species is guaranteed because they are programmed to keep reproducing. The 'messyness' is something we just put up with. Without it our species would die out.

Because crap just happens. I learned that after I left the church, and stopped seeing the devil in everything and everything bad and difficult being his fault. And having to accept that made me far more resilient to opposition. I don't have to wonder why anymore. I just accept it, and embrace it as a part of life.

That makes a lot of sense given what you have said previously.

Did you never wonder about the existence of the devil when you see the horrendous (inhuman) things that human beings are capable of? When you look at the world and see a complete departure from what God first intended for the human race, doesn't it make sense that all sorts of "crap happens" even when we don't want it to?There is always a reason for everything that happens. Its all about 'cause and effect'.

To me, what appears to be out of control, never was. This life has a purpose and that purpose is almost at its completion. I am so sad that the churches have not prepared their people for what is about to come upon this world. Like Noah's day, the warning is met with ridicule and disbelief. (Matthew 24:37-39; 2 Peter 3:3-7)

History repeats because people never learn from the past....:(
 

Shadow Wolf

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We alone have a moral sense that animals lack.
Other social animals, especially other primates, do indeed display what we would call having a sense of morality.
All actions in the animal kingdom are programmed into their DNA.
It has not been demonstrated we are any different.

In the animal world sex is purely for procreation.
That is clearly untrue as many other animals, such as dolphins and bonobos, have sex purely for pleasure and group bonding. Including having lots of gay sex.

Did you never wonder about the existence of the devil when you see the horrendous (inhuman) things that human beings are capable of?
Nope. Human beings are capable of terrible things. There is no reason to add in a devil or demons.

To me, what appears to be out of control, never was.
I don't see things as out of control. Change and improvements don't happen fast, but with each century we have made tremendous and significant improvements to bringing more equity to society.

History repeats because people never learn from the past....:(
Is that why we probably never will be enslaved, never forced to marry someone, and enjoying a time when it has never been less likely we'll die from a violent death or act of war? What about reductions in poverty and improvements in sanitation. If history repeated itself, you and I would most likely be impoverished and starving peasants covered in filth.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
To me, what appears to be out of control, never was. This life has a purpose and that purpose is almost at its completion. I am so sad that the churches have not prepared their people for what is about to come upon this world. Like Noah's day, the warning is met with ridicule and disbelief. (Matthew 24:37-39; 2 Peter 3:3-7)
It might divulge into a separate discussion, but what makes you confident you seeing these warnings of things "about to come" have anymore credibility, validity, and accuracy than the myriad of other end time predictions that have failed?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Come on! You can't discern the huge gulf that exists? Even to our supposed "closest primate cousin"? (Is it still the bonobo?)
Other social animals, especially other primates, do indeed display what we would call having a sense of morality.

I see no civilization-building, with laws and ethics. There are no books written, or composing music.
Shoot, they don't even wipe their butts.
I think they all share in cannibalism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I see no civilization-building, with laws and ethics.
Have you never even casually read up on a primate troupe or seen any documentary about them? Jane Goodall did provide fascinating insights into how chimpanzees have their own culture, their own hierarchy, and they clearly function socially, experience a range of emotions, and she even discovered they appear to have ritualistic dance.
I think they all share in cannibalism.
Not really. Chimps can be just as violent against each other as humans can be against each other, but bonobos are very big into preventing conflicts before they even have a chance to begin (they are also matriarchal). If someone wants to throw a fit in their group, they make them leave, and throw their fit and calm down before they can return.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

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Firstly, it is acceptable to round numbers.
Other civilizations didn't round that much. How come their gods are capable of more accuracy than ours?

And secondly, it is also possible that the “sea” was not perfectly round, or the measurement was not absolutely accurate.
God doesn't own a ruler?

I don’t think we have any evidence that earth (dry land) has moved from its foundations.
Plate tectonics is a thing.

Does an ant have chief? What guides it, when it travels around?
Depends on the species, though queens are typical.
AntsCanada
I love this channel. I hate ants. But I love this channel.

In engineering and geometry round pi to 3 will never work and will lead to unworkable and even potentially disastrous results. And an exact number?
And this was a building set up by the "wisest man on earth".

Facts and evidence trumps them both.
Amen.

Continents are on top of core of this planet and they are not moving away from the top of the planet.
The ground can be sucked under other ground.

And how does the queen guide and rule all the ants?
Check out Ants Canada. It's entertaining and can make even bug-o-phobes like me mourn the loss of entire colonies.

I mean, he's been offered the chance to do scientific papers, his ant farms are so epic.

The creation story in genesis is not about the whole planet they didn't know they were on one. Its about dry land which doesn't just float it has foundation
God doesn't know He created a planet?

Word of God means news of God not written or dictated by God
How can we trust they are listening to God if they can't even get basic facts about their surroundings right?

I see no civilization-building, with laws and ethics. There are no books written, or composing music.
Maybe we're the dumb ones for having to write it down. It's all about goals and priorities.
 

Prestor John

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However, I do identify with my brain and mind. They too are prone to hurt and injury, but that is where "I" am found.
You have the brain and mind of a man that has been injured in a way that now causes you to perceive yourself as a woman.

You will never find peace until you come to grips with the reality that you are a man who thinks he is a woman and nothing more .
 
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