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Einstein remains right...yet again

sayak83

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https://physicsworld.com/a/einstein...elativity-tested-by-star-orbiting-black-hole/

A key aspect of Einstein’s general theory of relativity has passed its most rigorous test so far. An international team led by Tuan Do and Andrea Ghez at the University of California, Los Angeles confirmed the Einstein equivalence principle (EEP) by analysing the redshift of light from the star S0-2 at its closest approach to Sagittarius A* – the supermassive black hole at the centre of the Milky Way. The study combined over 20 years of existing spectroscopic and astrometric measurements of S0-2 with the team’s own observations.

Do and Ghez’s team tested the EEP using three further spectroscopic instruments. These collected an additional three months of redshift data at similar times to the GRAVITY study. Their observations included S0-2’s closest approach to Sagittarius A* in May 2018, its maximum line-of-sight velocity in March, and its minimum line-of-sight velocity in September; spanning a range of 6000 km/s in radial velocity. The researchers then combined their observations with S0-2 redshift data collected by others in 1995-2017 – which includes observations made by eight other instruments.Overall, their data included 45 astrometric position measurements spanning 24 years.

statistical analysis revealing that Einstein’s theories were 43,000 times more likely to explain their observed redshifts than the Newtonian model of gravity.

Here is Einstein, celebrating with a puff of smoke. :)

Einstein-president2.jpg
 

Unguru

I am a Sikh nice to meet you
Personally I don't think Epstein was a great guy, whatever intellectual mathematical things he did doesn't save him from his horrific actions.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Then again,
Einstein was wrong.
Einstein was wrong as test reveals 'quantum entanglement' phenomenon IS real | Daily Mail Online

I studied the theories of special relativity, and General relativity for over a year now, and find that many scientists either tries to prove him correct, or wrong.
I believe his theories are contradicting himself, and very few people actually can explain the SR and GR theories.
because they dont understand it.


Einstein's opposition to quantum theory is well known.
 

Darkforbid

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Then again,
Einstein was wrong.
Einstein was wrong as test reveals 'quantum entanglement' phenomenon IS real | Daily Mail Online

I studied the theories of special relativity, and General relativity for over a year now, and find that many scientists either tries to prove him correct, or wrong.
I believe his theories are contradicting himself, and very few people actually can explain the SR and GR theories.
because they dont understand it.

True the number hasn't really changed from the number Einstein though understood it
 

Darkforbid

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Einstein's opposition to quantum theory is well known.

No his challenges of QM were because one thing affecting another at a distance would be 'spooky' and needed evidence otherwise QM would be flawed, he didn't oppose QM just that it predicted entanglement.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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SA Huguenot

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What amaises me is that people who are physicists make huge errors in their explanations.
I myself are not a scientist, and therefore I still like the Gallilean and Newtonian understanding of time and motion.
But only because I am not convinced by Time dilation, length contraction explanations.
The Michelson Morley experiment does not explain TD and LC to me, but this is my opinion.

What I did see is that the scientific world is divided into 2 groups.
One group wants to prove Time dilation, or lenght contraction, and they publish the strangest experiments on earth to prove Einstein correct.
Then you have the egocentric scientists who want to disprove Time dilation and Length contraction, hoping they would now be placed on the famous pedistal of Einstein!
 

ChristineM

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I like the way Einstein describe his view 'as a product of fossilisation' but that how science works he started QM with Bohr you just misunderstand his objections


Nope, i have provided a link.

Also look up the EPR paradox.
 

Darkforbid

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Nope, i have provided a link.

Also look up the EPR paradox.

EPR is covered in the paper you linked (had to download from a different source) you have read it haven't you? You didn't just think the abstract was the whole thing its a 35 page pdf
 

Polymath257

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No his challenges of QM were because one thing affecting another at a distance would be 'spooky' and needed evidence otherwise QM would be flawed, he didn't oppose QM just that it predicted entanglement.

And he was wrong about these objections. Entanglement is an observed phenomenon. Einstein's intuition about the EPR paradox was wrong as shown by Aspect's experiment (and many subsequent ones).

However, Einstein was *right* about time dilation, curved spacetime, and other things related specifically to special and general relativity.
 

Polymath257

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What amaises me is that people who are physicists make huge errors in their explanations.
I myself are not a scientist, and therefore I still like the Gallilean and Newtonian understanding of time and motion.
But only because I am not convinced by Time dilation, length contraction explanations.
The Michelson Morley experiment does not explain TD and LC to me, but this is my opinion.

What I did see is that the scientific world is divided into 2 groups.
One group wants to prove Time dilation, or lenght contraction, and they publish the strangest experiments on earth to prove Einstein correct.
Then you have the egocentric scientists who want to disprove Time dilation and Length contraction, hoping they would now be placed on the famous pedistal of Einstein!

I've yet to see a scientist trying to disprove TD or LC. At least, not one in the last 90 years.
 

Polymath257

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Then again,
Einstein was wrong.
Einstein was wrong as test reveals 'quantum entanglement' phenomenon IS real | Daily Mail Online

I studied the theories of special relativity, and General relativity for over a year now, and find that many scientists either tries to prove him correct, or wrong.
I believe his theories are contradicting himself, and very few people actually can explain the SR and GR theories.
because they dont understand it.

Well, it is certainly true that most popular accounts of SR and GR are lacking. To really understand GR, for example, requires a pretty good understanding of differential geometry.

On the other hand, SR is much easier to understand and is pretty typical undergraduate physics material that has to be mastered. Pretty much anyone with a master's degree in physics will understand SR well enough.
 

Darkforbid

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And he was wrong about these objections. Entanglement is an observed phenomenon. Einstein's intuition about the EPR paradox was wrong as shown by Aspect's experiment (and many subsequent ones).

However, Einstein was *right* about time dilation, curved spacetime, and other things related specifically to special and general relativity.

Yes, spooky action. But I see the Einstein Bohr exchanges as find a hole in this for me please,,,

Personally I hate the term spacetime, gives the impression time is more than a measure
 

Polymath257

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Yes, spooky action. But I see the Einstein Bohr exchanges as find a hole in this for me please,,,

Not sure what you are asking here. Could you be more clear?

Personally I hate the term spacetime, gives the impression time is more than a measure

Is space more than a measure? Is anything in science more than a measure? ALL aspects of science are defined operationally: in other words, how we measure them.

Spacetime is appropriate because we can measure curvature in said spacetime. it is *one* four dimensional geometry, not two different things: space and time. GR gives a good description, has been tested in many different ways, and describes a spacetime geometry that is linked to matter and energy density in testable ways.

What is the problem?
 

ChristineM

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EPR is covered in the paper you linked (had to download from a different source) you have read it haven't you? You didn't just think the abstract was the whole thing its a 35 page pdf

Why do you repeatedly try to insult my intelligence? I am dyslexic, not a blithering idiot
 

Debora

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I'm sorry I might the blithering idiot so please be patient. If everyone knows at the smallest particle there is only a wave...what is matter? What if the atom only lives in consciousness. Existing in hyper light in human consciousness with human beings assigning the atoms purpose and the livingness to the particle. I'm asking because most people don't realize they only live in their perspective listening to their voice as the narrative of life. We never live outside of our thoughts. Every thought is all we live as life. This should tell us more is living than we're comprehending.

Matter may only be one level of consciousness without us seeing the totality of anything. We don't even know how the bones can be created to grow without feeling pain. If Einstein was correct about gravity the universe would be ripped apart because the universe isn't assigning the atoms purpose or the livingness of the particle. Human consciousness may be. The fabric of the world is Conscious Energy with every atom in hyper light living for us to bring it into being. What can you tell me about that? Appreciate your help in understanding.
 
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