Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
So like an eternal party?
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If you could create your own paradise how would you form it?
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So like an eternal party?
Curious George
Veteran Member
Would it matter whether your "soul" existed or not if the result was the same? If so, why?
Post the safe word on each wall.
Workman
UNIQUE
Ok..I can understand,
But what you don’t understand is that your questions are caused from its deeper problem, but since you avoid your deeper side..roam all you want and question it far in away.
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Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
For me like I'm sure most, the existence of a life force (or soul) provides continuing to exist in a different form than what we exist in now and in addition provides a chances at having a different existence than the ones we live in now. Such as children born into poverty or illness or disability only to exist and die. My idea of the soul is that God does not provide it as such that it is necessary for the body to function but that it provides that which extends from him, divine providence the necessary experiences to continue in another existence. Even if I'm wrong and that all we are, are our bodies and that upon death we completely cease to exist, is grim and depressing. I've seen too much in life and in the medical field, and in life that thrives now to believe that 1) There is a Creator and 2) We have souls.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Sir/ma'am, you don't even know me. I'm a guy just commenting on something I'm sure other people have thought about. You've never died completely for some time and have come back to tell us what its like on the other side so your guess is as good as anyone else. Again, this is a hypothetical question but you're trying to make it deeper than what it already is.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you end up alongside others that think and feel as you do
how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?
it is written....the kingdom is within you
the formation you post of......is already in play
It wouldn't be that much different from this reality, except that it would have a reboot button: hit 60? Push reboot, now you're 12 again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Also I would be taller and teeth would grow back like hair and finger nails.
And there would be more lakes.
Most people (regardless of religious identity) have all been taught from infancy that death is merely a transition from one kind of life to another......that we have something inside us that keeps living when the body dies.....but where did this idea even come from? Most believe that it originates from the Bible....but it doesn't.
The notion of an immortal soul comes from Greek philosophical ideas...Plato....not God.
To me that means that the paradise God gave us at the beginning was the one we were meant to enjoy forever, but through disobedience, we lost it.
There were conditions to living in this paradise.....that the residents would obey their loving Creator. It wasn't even a difficult command....yet they lost so much for themselves and all their children because they made a bad decision.
Look what the Bible says that God provided for them initially......Genesis 2:15-25. There was every imaginable fruit for the picking.....fresh clean air, crystal clear water and the most beautiful surroundings. There was every kind of creature, large and small, that Adam was given the privilege of naming. They wanted for nothing. They were told to fill the earth with their children and to spread the borders of their paradise home until the whole world looked like the garden of Eden. That would involve them in the process of creating more paradise conditions for all of humanity to enjoy. Freely and generously sharing its bounty and enjoying its wonders.
Since God never abandoned his first purpose, (Isaiah 55:11) I see paradise as being a return to those Edenic conditions. There will be an abundance of food for everyone....no racism...no crime or violence...no selfish humans spoiling life for others. God will be restored as man's only ruler and things can go back to the way they were meant to be. God's Kingdom will "come" and then God's will can be "done on earth as it is in heaven".....isn't that what Jesus taught us to pray for? (Matthew 5:5)
This is shown to us in the Revelation 21:2-4 (NASB)....
"And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”
That is what I look forward to.....
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Weird, that was my second choice.
Unguru
I am a Sikh nice to meet you
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
You do believe Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism are other religions that have their own text as well.
I believe that all these religions have a common origin actually. If you delve into the core beliefs of all these faiths, you will find a common thread. All seem to embrace the idea of an immortal soul that can be rewarded or punished after death.
Workman
UNIQUE
Ok..Friend! I was only trying to help!..but I guess you know more best of what’s right for you. In that case, I put myself to rest!
Just so you know...I DONT LIE!
My spirit did die..than was through by ‘three Stars’ that lead me out through ‘Virgin Mary’ of what be more to know of you and I...I have been to Heaven(through my soul)and I felt it...and it be ABSOLUTELY nothing compared to what you and I feel of ‘the now’
It be an amazing feeling to NOT even know...Believe it or not! I don’t really care what you think...it is worth nothing but of my own truth that I have kept to myself and now I have come back to claim my People of God of that is True.
Believe it or Not! Be up to You! Not by force off-coarse, or its method, evidence nor its logic...because it ain’t for the unconscious world that you seek in..but your own conscious Free-will to decide ..BELIEVE IT OR NOT!
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Taking the word of another? Yes, I'm sure that works quite well - and has probably contributed to why religions have developed so easily.
The whole concept of paradise seems like a non-starter to me (along with any form of afterlife) - unless humans have changed drastically from what we mostly appear to be. The usual concept - existence with no conflict, bliss, harmony, all wants satisfied perhaps - seems such a boring one. And to think that this was for eternity might make it Hell rather than paradise for many. For how long could one be satisfied with the same things or expect the same things? Now life, that is often unpredictable, often doesn't repeat but can do so, and allows for change to occur. The heavenly garden concept will be interesting - no food chain? That is, all the dog-eat-dog reality that exists, or carnivores, predators, parasites, etc., that makes up life everywhere, will be missing? Will all the trees and shrubs be plastic imitations or just virtual - like us perhaps? Anyway, what's to say that any paradise would be immune from invasion - or sunbed hoggers? Cancel my reservation for paradise - not that I think I have one.
Workman
UNIQUE
Which ever you think of what might be, or in what might not be...it’s truth is that your thinking of is by only whom you are as..and where be of what you are, in your living by it(from your own imagination in it)...but why that it is, is from your own solving...you chose in your own answers of it..and your answers have left a lot of ‘IFs’..and of which you chose not to solve became your ‘Problem’ solving. For it is your IF that represents your problems and that be IF only who you are living in as...of your what if’s..as in NOT! And by your NOT(solved)..is be created your personality(if’s) becomes you.Taking the word of another? Yes, I'm sure that works quite well - and has probably contributed to why religions have developed so easily.
The whole concept of paradise seems like a non-starter to me (along with any form of afterlife) - unless humans have changed drastically from what we mostly appear to be. The usual concept - existence with no conflict, bliss, harmony, all wants satisfied perhaps - seems such a boring one. And to think that this was for eternity might make it Hell rather than paradise for many. For how long could one be satisfied with the same things or expect the same things? Now life, that is often unpredictable, often doesn't repeat but can do so, and allows for change to occur. The heavenly garden concept will be interesting - no food chain? That is, all the dog-eat-dog reality that exists, or carnivores, predators, parasites, etc., that makes up life everywhere, will be missing? Will all the trees and shrubs be plastic imitations or just virtual - like us perhaps? Anyway, what's to say that any paradise would be immune from invasion - or sunbed hoggers? Cancel my reservation for paradise - not that I think I have one.
L[if]e is your G[if]t...that is!..if you can sort out your ‘IF’s.
I don’t leave any ,what ifs,
Your logic will ONLY get you from ‘A’ To ‘B’..But it is your imagination of it...that will take you every...you want to know.
Your guess is as good as your ever be..And I think that you think it’s guess is as good as it will sound for it...for that is completely your choice...and be of WHAT created in your IF be..are your NOT.
Just so you know..what you can’t understand of how this living became of what it is...don’t blame GOD, you do not understand of how IT works..IT was by our own doings that created in IT...because you chose NOT to be aware of IT..but rather you chose..you KNOW IT!..but don’t you worry about a thing I didn’t have cancel your reservation,, it be already done by you and your mock in it..
I will tell you this...you will never know, until you K[NEW] in IT..
But anyway!..it’s good to hear in your views...so keep on pondering its good view, because IT will keep on pondering in YOUR view.
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I've probably looked as much as many into religious and/or spiritual matters, but I am perhaps more sceptical than many also, hence my lack of belief rather than non-belief in such things. Texts from the past often fail to impress me.
Workman
UNIQUE
Well that is yours to claim..I cannot change in that!..and wish you well in your journey friend.