Why is that so important? Because no matter how hard anyone tries, there's probably never going to be any proof of God's existence. And we know God doesn't like having to prove himself:
Matthew 4:7 - Wikipedia
John 20:29.
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Sex before marriage?????
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Why is that so important? Because no matter how hard anyone tries, there's probably never going to be any proof of God's existence. And we know God doesn't like having to prove himself:
Matthew 4:7 - Wikipedia
John 20:29.
So where does the idea of abstinence come from? It has to be learned somewhere, it is not a natural counter to hormones.
Successful in what? promoting sexual frustration, ruining lives, population decline?
You got it, but they didn't listen
Spartan
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There's plenty of evidence for the existence of the God of the Bible. All other supposed deities fall far short in comparison. And the opinions and laws of the Biblical God are important to the well being of creation.
Those are only your subjective beliefs. There's no objective evidence. But let's analyze them item by item:
- Evidence for the existence of the God of the Bible. What is this evidence?
- Describe the shortfalls of other deities. How are they no less real than the God of the Bible?
- Why are the Biblical God's laws important to the well being of creation?
Spartan
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There's the resurrection of Jesus Christ as one evidence.
And there's the Messianic Prophecies of Jesus in the Gospels that were fulfilled at a rate astronomically higher than chance.
And there's others but I'll cite those two as the signatures of God.
Confirmation bias is running strong today
Because i (or anyone) said so is not evidence
Because the bible says so is not evidence
Spartan
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I can help you out with that if you want to really be informed, instead of being misled.
Recommended reading: "The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas; "New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell; "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler; "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr, Gary Habermas.
Prove the resurrection happened. What is the physical and archaeological evidence?
Prove that the Messianic Prophecies were fulfilled. What is the physical and archaeological evidence?
There is no evidence that JC resurrected
Funny that the Jewish religion does not consider the Messianic Prophecies anywhere near fulfilled
Been here before
The Historical Iesus is guesswork
New Evidence that Demands a Verdict is hypothesis
Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics? Why a need to apologise?
The Case for Christ, confirmation bias
The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus, confirmation bias
Real evidence
The gravestone of the father of jesus... Why would a god need a gravestone?
Recommended reading
Jesus the terrorist by peter cresswell.
Also
The Censored Messiah by the same author
The Jesus Hoax by David Skrbina PhD
stvdv
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You are right. They did not listen, but for sure they did something.
One thing is easy now. If a Christians starts preaching about "No sex before marriage" to me again, I will direct them to the Bible Belt + Luke 6:41-42 (about hypocrites: speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and plank in their own eye)
Luke 6:41-42 New International Version (NIV)
41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
41 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42 How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Spartan
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That's all nonsense. Jesus father was God (Jeremiah 23:5-6 etc., and God the Holy Spirit in Matthew). No cigar for you.
I use that same passage quite often when hypocrisy rears its head
Thats your belief, only the bible is mythology and a gravestone is as solid as it gets.
Try reading Jewish scripture, not the cherry picked christian stuff
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Prestor John
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Anything about us that makes us more susceptible to any particular sin is a "weakness".
Sexual appetites are a "weakness" when they are expressed outside the bounds of marriage.
And, according to the Lord, marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
Anything other than sexual relations between a husband and wife are sinful activities.
I am not trying to belittle or demean anyone. Especially when you consider that I (as well as all other human beings) are full of various "weaknesses".
We are all in the same boat.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Bible verses sometimes come in handy. And the good thing is, that we need only a very few verses, to deflect Christian "Hell Spell" attacks
stvdv
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Thank you. That's a good "insight" to acknowledge that we are all in the same boat, having our own weaknesses.
My Master said, when asked about "how often sex" ... 1 child is enough. So even within "normal" marriage He advised a kind of huge restriction on sex. Gay people might cheer up with this "1 child" advice, but His other advice was "Having been born, you can try out anything you like, but just do it once". Once you have experienced something, why do it again? Keep on learning new things.
Not an easy advice to follow, I do like "white chocolate and icecream"
stvdv
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My Master said "The image people have of God is not true, that is all their imagination"
Even the Bible says that we should not make an image of God
"God of the Bible" ... is already making an image of God
stvdv
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You make a very big claim here. One that you can never prove, unless you are Omniscient
You studied "ALL" other deities to be able to make such a claim?
(was a rhetorical question of course ... too many deities for you)
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