Science IS religion

gnostic said:

There are imageries of Babylonian and Assyrian gods with wings since the Bronze Age, and centuries before the Babylonian Exile. I think it highly unlikely that the Babylonian would copy Hebrew/Jewish religion, since monotheism in Judah has been around little more than half-a-century before Jerusalem had fallen.

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Whatever happened we don't really know. The reasoned assumption is that spirits were part of life back then. The denial of psedo science cheerleaders today of any spiritual aspect of life (because the poor blind mice of science can't see it) does not erase history.

Monotheistic Judaism was a brainchild of King Josiah’s politics and reform.

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God told them He was the only real God and savior actually. Attributing that to a king is ridiculous.

Truly Enlightened said:

Actually, using "pseudoscience" you can test for anything you want to test.

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Ghost tests?

Since it is not true science, you can test for miracles, make-believe, spirits, how souls communicate with each other, the existence of God(s), the life expectancy of a green dragon, or if pixies are male or female.

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Since origins so called (pseudo) science is false, they have made up many stories, correct.

Fortunately, real science doesn't have this range of intellectual flexibility or integrity.

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The problem is that actual science is lumped together with origins religious nonsense, so that truth must be separated from fiction.

Most science today is laced with belief based pseudo science. Any ability to differentiate fact from fiction in science today must come from without your religion! That religion is what you call science.

Wild Fox said:

Still preaching I see.

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When a question is asked about miracles in the bible, provided intellectual insights into the meaning is called for.

When you offer false religion and pseudo science as actual science, that is preaching.

dad said:

When a question is asked about miracles in the bible, provided intellectual insights into the meaning is called for.

When you offer false religion and pseudo science as actual science, that is preaching.

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"When you offer false religion and pseudo science as actual science, that is preaching" You described yourself perfectly. I could not have done it better. Evolution is actual science so as I said I see you are still preaching.

dad said:

Your religion remains psedo science until you do more than spam post, rather than support it.

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dad, I have supported my claims You are merely describing your actions here.

Why do you continue to run away from the offer of discussing what is and what is not evidence and the scientific method? When all you can do is to run away and to lie about others it does not look goo to the lurkers.

I can understand why "run and hide" is your strategy. You appear to realize that if you learned the scientific method and what is and what is not evidence you would have to openly lie instead of pretend ignorance.

Subduction Zone said:

dad, I have supported my claims You are merely describing your actions here.

Why do you continue to run away from the offer of discussing what is and what is not evidence and the scientific method? When all you can do is to run away and to lie about others it does not look goo to the lurkers.

I can understand why "run and hide" is your strategy. You appear to realize that if you learned the scientific method and what is and what is not evidence you would have to openly lie instead of pretend ignorance.

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You have not supported anything. You alluded to beliefs and failed to discuss or support them whatsoever, or even relate them to the conversation/topic.

Wild Fox said:

Evolution is actual science ....

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NOT the theory of evolution. That is fables and beliefs.

The act of adapting or evolving in the present world is another matter, because we know that happens.


The monkey tales from the crypt (TOE) claimed by mislabeled pseudo science are absolutely not actual science.

dad said:

You have not supported anything. You alluded to beliefs and failed to discuss or support them whatsoever, or even relate them to the conversation/topic.

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That is not true. The last time I posted evidence you simply ran away. You have run away from the evidence too many times. At this point you need to learn what is and what is not evidence. So one more time to help you:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

dad said:

NOT the theory of evolution. That is fables and beliefs.

The act of adapting or evolving in the present world is another matter, because we know that happens.


The monkey tales from the crypt (TOE) claimed by mislabeled pseudo science are absolutely not actual science.

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And another false claim that you cannot support. Sadly to support this claim you would ironically have to understand the concepts that you run away from.

Subduction Zone said:

That is not true. The last time I posted evidence you simply ran away. You have run away from the evidence too many times. At this point you need to learn what is and what is not evidence. So one more time to help you:

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."

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NOTHING to do with supporting a same state past or addressing whether time is the same in far space. Don't try to apply actual scientific principles to your religion.

Subduction Zone said:

And another false claim that you cannot support. Sadly to support this claim you would ironically have to understand the concepts that you run away from.

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Easy to support the claim that the theory of life evolving from lower life forms is faith based. All one has to do is ask you to try and evidence it!

dad said:

Speaking of absurd, insinuating crows bake bread takes the cake. You insult God and the bible.

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If you can’t provide a reasonable answer to where the bread come fine in middle of drought and famine, then it quite reasonable to nudge you give more logic answer than repeated unsubstantiated nonsense that “God did it” or “God can do everything”.

Ravens farming crops, making flour and doughs and baking bread is indeed bloody absurd, but so is “God can do everything.”

Think about where bread come from, dad, because clearly you haven’t thought about at all.

If there were really months long or years long drought, then no rain and shortage of water from streams, will make it near impossible for irrigation of water to be delivered dry farm beds. No crops harvested would mean no flour.

And you would still need water to mix with flour, to make bread doughs. If you have none, then how could you possibly make bread doughs?

No doughs would mean no bread.

If farmers and bakers cannot make breads, so where did the ravens get the bread from?

Meat would be hard to come by, too, because farm animals need to eat some sort of vegetation, but if there are no rain and no water, then these animals cannot stay in farmland. Meaning, people and animals would have to live a nomadic life, moving place to place to find whatever left of water and vegetation to be found.

dad said:

NOT the theory of evolution. That is fables and beliefs.

The act of adapting or evolving in the present world is another matter, because we know that happens.


The monkey tales from the crypt (TOE) claimed by mislabeled pseudo science are absolutely not actual science.

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No you believe in fables and fiction. We know evolution happens because it occurs from adapting and evolving. It happens and is actual science. Your reading of monkey tales from the crypt must be some book of fiction and is has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. You seem to have a problem discerning fiction from fact.

dad said:

NOTHING to do with supporting a same state past or addressing whether time is the same in far space. Don't try to apply actual scientific principles to your religion.

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It has everything to supporting claims. And could you make such an ignorant claim?

But that is only the beginning. You need to understand the scientific method as well.

dad said:

Easy to support the claim that the theory of life evolving from lower life forms is faith based. All one has to do is ask you to try and evidence it!

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If it is so easy why can't you do it? You just claimed it to be way and demonstrated that you are incompetent when it comes to supporting your claims.

dad shoots himself in the foot again.

Subduction Zone said:

It has everything to supporting claims. And could you make such an ignorant claim?

But that is only the beginning. You need to understand the scientific method as well.

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You need to offer evidence for what you claim as fact here. Nothing in the scientific method can help you. If you had a grasp of the issues you would realize that.

Subduction Zone said:

If it is so easy why can't you do it? You just claimed it to be way and demonstrated that you are incompetent when it comes to supporting your claims.

dad shoots himself in the foot again.

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Nothing about man descending from animals is demonstrated. Some birds, or plants or bacteria undergoing changes over a few centuries or decades may be demonstrated NOTHING to do with the core origin claims of TOE.

dad said:

You need to offer evidence for what you claim as fact here. Nothing in the scientific method can help you. If you had a grasp of the issues you would realize that.

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dad, since you do not understand the scientific method you have no way to justify this claim. Once it appears that you are lying.

gnostic said:

If you can’t provide a reasonable answer to where the bread come fine in middle of drought and famine, then it quite reasonable to nudge you give more logic answer than repeated unsubstantiated nonsense that “God did it” or “God can do everything”.

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Absurdly false. No one needs to explain how Jesus fed over twenty thousand people wit a few loves and fishes. Science certainly has no clue, might as well ask cave men! There is no reason to doubt the supernatural supply of God recorded in Scripture. Just because you have no idea how He does things, does not mean nothing was done!

Think about where bread come from, dad, because clearly you haven’t thought about at all.

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Manna came from heaven. Where God had the crow pick up the bread in this case we do not know. That just shows how limited science is.

If there were really months long or years long drought, then no rain and shortage of water from streams, will make it near impossible for irrigation of water to be delivered dry farm beds. No crops harvested would mean no flour.

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Heaven has plenty of whatever is needed! Also, if God used earthly bakers for the bread, then all we need to do is ask how far a crow flies!?

You sit there armchair guessing and doubting with zero basis in knowledge or fact. You thought that had any value whatsoever??

dad said:

Nothing about man descending from animals is demonstrated. Some birds, or plants or bacteria undergoing changes over a few centuries or decades may be demonstrated NOTHING to do with the core origin claims of TOE.

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That is wrong as well. Genetics alone proves beyond a reasonable doubt that we are related to other animals. The same evidence that allows people to say "You are not the father!!" tells us that you are related to other apes.