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Rapture & Tithing

David T

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Premium Member
It's human nature to read/see what people want to see - confirmation bias. It does not require divine powers to predict such things.
True the real trick is removing it from your own eye like a sliver.

Birth defects there ya go big fat sliver. Less real than unicorns. Just simple observational science is all thats required. Nothing complex.
 

leov

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The burden is not on me, seeing that your able to read, go read the book of Revelation and see what Christ Jesus tells what the last Prophecy is.
I'll make it a little easier for you, go read
Revelation chapter 11. Here you will find the last Prophecy that Christ Jesus has given.
I understand that things described happens in human minds not physical reality. Golgotha is where Jesus was crucified, it means skull, i.e. Jesus was crucified in human minds, that a part of symbolism I see.
 

David1967

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Premium Member
Look I'm not your pastor to spoon feed you.
As no one spoon feed me, so read Revelation chapter 11. And see what Christ Jesus will say what the last Prophecy is.

Seriously. I have read the bible. And I'm not one to be "spoon-fed" by anyone. So why not just say what you believe is this "last prophecy" and then ask your question regarding it. It's simple really.
 

Faithofchristian

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Seriously. I have read the bible. And I'm not one to be "spoon-fed" by anyone. So why not just say what you believe is this "last prophecy" and then ask your question regarding it. It's simple really.

I don't believe what is, Christ Jesus tells what it is in Revelation 11.
So I believe what Christ Jesus says what the last Prophecy is.

Go read Revelation 11 and then come back
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Please explain exactly how this all is to work?

The Rapture is a false doctrine invented by a mentally ill woman named Margaret MacDonald (visionary) - Wikipedia in 1840. It never existed until then.

As far as tithing goes I've always given whatever I could, sometimes $10 sometimes $20 sometimes no money at all. But mostly my tithing was through service. As an ordained Deacon of the church I was always the first there to open the doors, prep for the day, mow the grass, clean and vacuum, maintenance/repairs, organizing food and drink, basically a McGyver for whatever the church needed including some preaching when the regular preacher wasn't able to make it. So my tithing was my time and labor mostly.
 

David1967

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As an ordained Deacon of the church I was always the first there to open the doors, prep for the day, mow the grass, clean and vacuum, maintenance/repairs, organizing food and drink, basically a McGyver for whatever the church needed including some preaching when the regular preacher wasn't able to make it. So my tithing was my time and labor mostly.

Now you messed up. You will never have any free time when folks know how many useful things you can do.:D
 

David1967

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I don't believe what is, Christ Jesus tells what it is in Revelation 11.
So I believe what Christ Jesus says what the last Prophecy is.

Go read Revelation 11 and then come back

I have read it, but I refuse to be sucked into this word game. Speak clearly to me or not at all. Good day sir.
 

Rise

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On what scriptural basis do you reason that what is contained in Revelation 11 must happen before the rapture of the church?

You link Jesus returning with the rapture as though they must happen at the same time, but can you scripturally prove the two events could not happen separately?

And furthermore, what does any of that have to do with tithing or the Old Testament in general?
 
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David1967

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On what scriptural basis do you reason that what is contained in Revelation 11 must happen before the rapture of the church?

You link Jesus returning with the rapture as though they must happen at the same time, but can you scripturally prove the two events could not happen separately?

And furthermore, what does any of that have to do with tithing or the Old Testament in general?

I can't tell. He may be referring to the two witnesses being killed and resurrected or the ark of the covenant being in the rebuilt temple... who knows. Since he just won't come out and say what he is referring to, I wonder if he's just trying to keep the game of 'guess what I'm thinking' going.
 

Neutral Name

Active Member
I have a questions to ask those of the Christian faith and anyone who may like to comment.

My questions is this---

it seems Pastors, Preaches are saying one thing and Jesus Christ is saying completely different than what Pastors/Preachers are saying,

That when it comes to the rapture you are being told by Pastors/Preachers, that Jesus Christ is coming to rapture you out before the tribulation.


But yet Jesus Christ has given in his book of Revelation, the last Prophecy that is to happen, that Jesus Christ can not return until this last prophecy happens first.
That when this last prophecy happens that Jesus Christ has given in his book of Revelation, which will brings an end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ can not return until the last Prophecy happens first in his book of Revelation.

So what good is the rapture going to do.

Seeing that the last Prophecy has to happen first, before Jesus Christ can return, which the last Prophecy also brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.

So what good is the rapture going to do, seeing when the last Prophecy happens, the tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.

Now, many Christians will say, We Christians do not go by the old testament/ scriptures.

If you were to go to the new testament/ scriptures, you will not find one word about tithing, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation. As you will not even find the word tithe, from Acts to Revelation?

You can not use the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark. Luke and John.
All because Jesus Christ is speaking to Israel about their tithing system.

So how is this to work, If you Christians profess that you do not go by the old testament/ scriptures, But yet you tithe according to the old testament/scriptures.
Please explain exactly how this all is to work?

I can't answer all of this. It is so much. First, there is no such thing as the rapture in the Bible. It is actually as dogmatic as many Protestants would say of the Catholics. Find a Bible you can search online and you will not find the word rapture in it. There is being taken up, pretty much the same thing, but the rapture people have made a bundle talking about something that is not Biblical.

Second, you are asked to tithe 10% and to give your best but it doesn't mean that you should be giving it to some greedy person pretending to be a Christian and building a compound or buying a jet. That is not Christian. Matthew 6:19-20
19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.
20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.
There are wolves in sheep's clothing. Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. These are many of the pastors and ministers you are speaking of.

Listen to Jesus, not pastors or ministers. Read the Bible and know what Jesus said. Follow that. That is the only way that you can be a real Christian unless you can find a church which actually teaches the truth but they are few and far between. Most say that they do bu they don't.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I have a questions to ask those of the Christian faith and anyone who may like to comment.

My questions is this---

it seems Pastors, Preaches are saying one thing and Jesus Christ is saying completely different than what Pastors/Preachers are saying,

That when it comes to the rapture you are being told by Pastors/Preachers, that Jesus Christ is coming to rapture you out before the tribulation.


But yet Jesus Christ has given in his book of Revelation, the last Prophecy that is to happen, that Jesus Christ can not return until this last prophecy happens first.
That when this last prophecy happens that Jesus Christ has given in his book of Revelation, which will brings an end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ can not return until the last Prophecy happens first in his book of Revelation.

So what good is the rapture going to do.

Seeing that the last Prophecy has to happen first, before Jesus Christ can return, which the last Prophecy also brings the end to the tribulation and the return of Jesus Christ.

So what good is the rapture going to do, seeing when the last Prophecy happens, the tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.

Now, many Christians will say, We Christians do not go by the old testament/ scriptures.

If you were to go to the new testament/ scriptures, you will not find one word about tithing, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation. As you will not even find the word tithe, from Acts to Revelation?

You can not use the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark. Luke and John.
All because Jesus Christ is speaking to Israel about their tithing system.

So how is this to work, If you Christians profess that you do not go by the old testament/ scriptures, But yet you tithe according to the old testament/scriptures.
Please explain exactly how this all is to work?
Apparently Jesus already came back a second time in the story of Paul invalidating any third coming. Making it a failed prophecy of the second return.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
If you were to go to the new testament/ scriptures, you will not find one word about tithing, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation. As you will not even find the word tithe, from Acts to Revelation?
Actually, you find it in Hebrews 7. Tithing wasn't an issue as giving was liberal...not like today where people whine about $5 let alone share about the realities of tithing.

You have to remember, the issue about the Epistles weren't necessarily about tithing and Revelation has nothing to do with it either,.

You can not use the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark. Luke and John.
All because Jesus Christ is speaking to Israel about their tithing system.

Tithing was before the law so it doesn't matter whether or not Jesus was speaking to Israel.
 

David1967

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Premium Member
Actually, you find it in Hebrews 7. Tithing wasn't an issue as giving was liberal...not like today where people whine about $5 let alone share about the realities of tithing.

You have to remember, the issue about the Epistles weren't necessarily about tithing and Revelation has nothing to do with it either,.



Tithing was before the law so it doesn't matter whether or not Jesus was speaking to Israel.

Hy Ken. Do you believe that the law concerning tithing in the OT was aimed at everyone or just the Jews?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Hy Ken. Do you believe that the law concerning tithing in the OT was aimed at everyone or just the Jews?

I believe that Abraham, the father of faith, instituted a spiritual reality of acknowledging God by the tithe. It remains an act of faith IMO. Not a "requirement" as the law instituted but a connector faith act that opens doors of blessings that is given through love.
 

David1967

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Premium Member
I don't believe what is, Christ Jesus tells what it is in Revelation 11.
So I believe what Christ Jesus says what the last Prophecy is.

Go read Revelation 11 and then come back

Ok. I need to know something. Is this a thread that if I guess correctly what the correct prophecy is that it will point me towards your particular denomination?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Ok. I need to know something. Is this a thread that if I guess correctly what the correct prophecy is that it will point me towards your particular denomination?
LOL.. I don't think so.. I am of the non-denominational strand. :)
 
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