Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
This has got nothing to do with Islam.
What is?
Have you met many Muslims who condemn Palestinians? They don't care what they use. They use what they can. Right and wrong lose meaning in extreme conditions such as those ISRAEL has made for them.
What a mistake to say Palestine right here.
Doesn't exist
There is no subjective Jihad. There is no Jihad there.
Which is unholy - Palestine, Palestinians, Jihad, "the Jihad" or Islam?
Are you saying the Qur'an "would oppose" the Palestinians?
Did i say they know exactly what Hamas does? they live there and see every day what Israel does to them. And yes Hamas have done a lot of evil too, no doubt about that, But they try to defend the little area they have been forced to live in. By Israel and US
Yup. And what kind of enforcement do they get? What happens to country that fails to uphold them?This is a ridiculous argument to start with but lets not forget that Israel is a member of the UN and has ratified Geneva conventions and other Geneva protocols.
Good.
They lose all respect and become hated all over the world for one.
When they promote it and claim it and make policy that revolves around it, yes, it very much has much to do with Islam. In fact, Islam (and Christianity) has TONS to do with most of the existentialist threats Israel and the Jews have faced ever since non-Jews decided to turn the Jewish religion into their own.
The extremist interpretations of Islam. Most Muslims outright reject it. Extremist, obviously by their nature, do not.
They condemn violence and desire peace, not more violence. They don't like it from anyone, either side.
It's a mistake for you to continue to believe so when it has been demonstrated multiple times you are wrong. Palestine does in fact and indeed utilize suicide bombers.
Everything religious is subjective. That's why there has always been such sectarian violence among Christians and Muslims, because they are attempting to objectively assert what is purely subjective.
Yes, and it does condemn many of their tactics such as hiding behind aid workers and children.
Revolting.
Does the lion concern itself with the thoughts of an ant? If this lost respect and becoming hated where true, the US would have lost its position as a hegemonic super power long ago. Indeed, it wouldn't have made it to the Cold War as it would have been a lost cause once it started planting the seeds that grew into the Communist Revolutions of that era. But as the British Empire taught us, you can do pretty much whatever you want as a state as long as you can enforce it with power, and there is little anyone else can do. They simply didn't need concern themselves with the plights of the New World colonies, or India, or Africa, or Asia. That is how a state works and runs. They are thinking in terms of Machiavellian power, not the ethics and concerns of the common folk. And when one becomes big enough, one need not be concerned if some tiny fly hates you.
Ultimately, we must look at the situation as one of hard reality and not of idealistic humanitarian dreams. Conventional morality that gets us through our daily lives will not suffice when there is a very real chance the next person crossing their boarder could be strapped with a dynamite vest (if they haven't crossed over already). "Being the better person" will only get you killed when kites are dropping bombs on you and your civilians are being attacked by rockets. Peace is a two-way street, and Palestine has consistently put doomed nationalism above the well being of their populace, leaving Israel in a position where they must defend themselves or they will be destroyed.
Then there is no hope for peace since hope and peace is nothing but humanitarian pipe dreams and this cynical cycle of injustice and violence will continue until I guess the earth becomes a cinder
What policy is that?
What is that?
What? Can you be more specific?
What is the nature of an "extremist"? But before that, what is an extremist to you?
You haven't been listening to the Muslims. When they want peace, they mean if Israel would just give ALL of the land back to whom it belongs then most Muslims would be kind and willing to try and make everything peaceful again.
Oh I see. Forget about the Hamas now, "Palestine is the terrorist."
Not in Islam because Islam is more specific.
What you can't imagine.
You have to read more of the book. Prohibiting on action is not prohibiting all action. Do you know what is condemned about this all? It's that more Muslims aren't fighting for the Palestinians. Peace is all very well for muslims and recommended in Islam - when there IS peace offered from the other side.
Placing bombs in phone booths and trash cans is not directly targeting anyone, and there is no political significance. Targeting post offices kills people who have nothing to do with it. Car bombs hurt those who are bystanders and had and wanted nothing to do with it.
Is that why there was a reluctant cease fire, a very fragile peace agreement, and still a non-unified Ireland with people scared the fallout of Brexit will flair up boarder violence? And how do you explain Ireland being granted autonomous self-rule in 1921, decades before P-IRA terrorism?
And that is basically why we still don't have global peace: too many of us are still very much ape and want to find anything we can to justify our bad behaviors while condemning the same actions of another. And, do remember, most people don't want anything to do with the political conflicts of their country. It's not often we find a Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy where an astounding portion of the population is behind it. More often than not, they want peace and want the violence to stop. Remember that next time an attack you feel is justified kills innocent people. They died for something they wanted and had no part in.
Then what do you propose? Both sides must agree to peace for that to happen, but that can't happen when one party has rejected a peaceful solution. Israel has to defend themselves, and they have to make hard decisions doing it because Hamas won't stop until they're dead, and they do have to contend with the fact Hamas is shameless in hiding behind innocents and notorious as painting Israel as an aggressor when it retaliates against suicide, kite, or rocket bombings. That is the reality of the situation. Kill or be killed is a tragedy, but it's the tragedy Israel is living with.
I haven't? Then who exactly are the Muslims I've talked to?
It's not hard for me to imagine. Nor is it that hard to know what is meant by "extremist," that it does include sects such as Wahhabi and Salafi, and that the vast bulk majority of the Ummah as a whole reject such interpretations.
I'm not trying to absolve them. I'm pointing out that if you're going to depend on UN and Geneva words on paper you might as well hope the Tooth Fairy swoops in to save the day.
You don't know what US looks like from the other side, do you? They'd like you to think you can do anything and the papers lie to you about the rest of the world which makes you imagine you're the king of the world. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
That's all? You're gonna give me two words, of which you can't tell one from the other, that have nothing to do with anything and that in fact have very little meaning in general? Can't study Islam from the newspapers.. You are the proof. Please don't say it isn't difficult to know what is meant by an extremist if you can't explain it. You might end up ignoring over half of my post like this time because at the end of the day you don't really understand what you're saying yourself.
Justice.
And the Palestinians aren't living with that nightmare? Just the poor innocent Israelis in your book are suffering the indignities and injustices of the world? Right? It is always just about one side? The white side is in the right because those dumb damnable brown people just don't know when to back off when they come asking for justice too. Right?
