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'They 'are beginning to accuse President Trump over Iran

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Find out which generals were against the move to capture the tanker and put them into government.
It was the recently retired Fleet-Admiral who told BBC News how incompetent Brit authorities had been. He probably wants to go to bingo halls now, or fish for trout.

And Foreign secretary Hunt has been too busy trying to become PM to worry about such details.

:shrug:
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The story is from 2016. You can probably find it by looking harder.

Iran Breaks Nuclear Deal and UN Resolutions

Iran's Nuclear Program Timeline and History | NTI

It's out there it's just being overrun by the false narrative of "bad orange man". Iran never intended to adhere to the terms. They played the E.U, the U.N. and Obama for fools.

Ha ha!
Oh dear! Nasty warmongering Iran........... by an Islamic Apostate and enemy of Allah!

Don't you review the backgrounds of journalists and 'experts' before you make decisions about their reports and letters?

Here ya go:- (if you copy the link and paste it in to google it will work.)
Dr. Majid Rafizadeh: Why I Renounced Islam, Allah, and Muhammad ...

https://myislam.dk/.../rafizadeh%20why-i-renounced-islam-allah-and-muhammad.php 14 Jul 2016 - I never thought I would have the courage to publicly announce that I have left Islam. I have been hesitating to openly declare this; according to ...

Do try and select objective investigator's reports.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Ha ha!
Oh dear! Nasty warmongering Iran........... by an Islamic Apostate and enemy of Allah!

Don't you review the backgrounds of journalists and 'experts' before you make decisions about their reports and letters?

Here ya go:- (if you copy the link and paste it in to google it will work.)
Dr. Majid Rafizadeh: Why I Renounced Islam, Allah, and Muhammad ...

https://myislam.dk/.../rafizadeh%20why-i-renounced-islam-allah-and-muhammad.php 14 Jul 2016 - I never thought I would have the courage to publicly announce that I have left Islam. I have been hesitating to openly declare this; according to ...

Do try and select objective investigator's reports.

I cited the same story from different sources.

One of my sources is NTI. Which is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization.

Nuclear Threat Initiative - Wikipedia

But that's ok live in fairy tale land if you wish. Facts always catch up to ya sooner or later. ;) Better check under your bed before you go to sleep, the orange man might be there waiting!!!:eek:
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
It was the recently retired Fleet-Admiral who told BBC News how incompetent Brit authorities had been. He probably wants to go to bingo halls now, or fish for trout.

And Foreign secretary Hunt has been too busy trying to become PM to worry about such details.

:shrug:

It looks like we will soon have that clown Boris as PM. Let's hope he doesn't mess-up like last time when dealing with Iran.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
I suppose you have some 'evidence' that Trump actively seeks out to destroy what Obama did over some personal "spite"..?

...For what purpose would a non-establishment business man feel the need to "spite" Obama?


https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/watch-inside-the-night-president-obama-took-on-donald-trump/



Donald Trump has a thing about Barack Obama. Trump is obsessed with Obama.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/29/opinion/trumps-obama-obsession.html
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
On that first video, when Obama mocked Trump over the Apprentice, suggesting that all the decisions Trump makes are petty -I don’t see how that was very professional. It was extremely rude actually.

I, for some reason, remembered Obama being more dignified than that. I guess Obama was actually more of a jerk than I remembered, after looking back.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
It was the recently retired Fleet-Admiral who told BBC News how incompetent Brit authorities had been. He probably wants to go to bingo halls now, or fish for trout.

And Foreign secretary Hunt has been too busy trying to become PM to worry about such details.

:shrug:

Oh now dont be go running down your Admirals.

 

Shad

Veteran Member
The first tanker was Panamanian registered. It was released.

The first tanker seized by Iran was the Stena Impero. The 2nd Tanker MV Mesdar.

Grace-1 which was seized by the UK is registered in Panama

Vessel details for: STENA IMPERO (Oil/Chemical Tanker) - IMO 9797400, MMSI 232010294, Call Sign MBPR5 Registered in United Kingdom | AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel details for: MESDAR (Crude Oil Tanker) - IMO 9452672, MMSI 636013579, Call Sign A8NX6 Registered in Liberia | AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel details for: GRACE 1 (Crude Oil Tanker) - IMO 9116412, MMSI 355271000, Call Sign 3EYE2 Registered in Panama | AIS Marine Traffic

The week before we seized an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar at US request, a totally stupid thing for us to do, and as our recently retired Fleet-Admial pointed out on television, we then didn't have the brains to deter Brit ships from going close to Iranian waters. Daft or what?

The Strait of Hormuz is international waters.

You are talking about the wrong tanker. The MT Riah is a Tanker that disappeared on Saturday. It could be the 3rd Tanker seized by Iran.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I cited the same story from different sources.

One of my sources is NTI. Which is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization.

Nuclear Threat Initiative - Wikipedia

But that's ok live in fairy tale land if you wish. Facts always catch up to ya sooner or later. ;) Better check under your bed before you go to sleep, the orange man might be there waiting!!!:eek:
Iran was prepared to keep Obama's initiative.
Until it got busted...........

But now Iran is going ahead and the situation is more dangerous.

Please don't tell us all how righteous we all are in the West. That's naive.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
It looks like we will soon have that clown Boris as PM. Let's hope he doesn't mess-up like last time when dealing with Iran.
What a bad mistake that was........... and leaving a lone Brit in deep deep misery and trouble, plus an international dilemma. All with one sentence/

I don't think Boris can get us out of the EU by November, either.

We need a general election but that could result in a variety coalition mess not seen before.

Our politics is an embarrassing mess.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
What a bad mistake that was........... and leaving a lone Brit in deep deep misery and trouble, plus an international dilemma. All with one sentence/

I don't think Boris can get us out of the EU by November, either.

We need a general election but that could result in a variety coalition mess not seen before.

Our politics is an embarrassing mess.

yep, on both sides of the atlantic, an embarrassing
political mess.

we on this side of puddle wish you well
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The first tanker seized by Iran was the Stena Impero. The 2nd Tanker MV Mesdar.

Grace-1 which was seized by the UK is registered in Panama

Vessel details for: STENA IMPERO (Oil/Chemical Tanker) - IMO 9797400, MMSI 232010294, Call Sign MBPR5 Registered in United Kingdom | AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel details for: MESDAR (Crude Oil Tanker) - IMO 9452672, MMSI 636013579, Call Sign A8NX6 Registered in Liberia | AIS Marine Traffic
Vessel details for: GRACE 1 (Crude Oil Tanker) - IMO 9116412, MMSI 355271000, Call Sign 3EYE2 Registered in Panama | AIS Marine Traffic



The Strait of Hormuz is international waters.

You are talking about the wrong tanker. The MT Riah is a Tanker that disappeared on Saturday. It could be the 3rd Tanker seized by Iran.
No.
The MV Riah incident occurred on 14th July.
And that was not the first, either. A Brit warship saved another tanker before that, even. And, of course, there were the two tankers holed by explosions as mentioned below.

:-........................On 13 June, two tankers were damaged by explosions in the Gulf of Oman, a strategic waterway crucial to global energy supplies.
The Marshall Islands-flagged Front Altair and Panama-flagged Kokuka Courageous were both sailing south-eastwards through international waters, after passing through the Strait of Hormuz, when they were rocked by explosions.
But a senior Iranian official insisted Iran had "no connection with the incident".
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Panama’s maritime authority has begun the process of withdrawing the registration of the oil tanker MT Riah, which ended up in Iranian waters after it disappeared from ship tracking maps in the strait of Hormuz on 14 July. Panama began the flag-withdrawal process on Friday after ...
 

Shad

Veteran Member
No.
The MV Riah incident occurred on 14th July.
And that was not the first, either. A Brit warship saved another tanker before that, even. And, of course, there were the two tankers holed by explosions as mentioned below.

:-........................On 13 June, two tankers were damaged by explosions in the Gulf of Oman, a strategic waterway crucial to global energy supplies.
The Marshall Islands-flagged Front Altair and Panama-flagged Kokuka Courageous were both sailing south-eastwards through international waters, after passing through the Strait of Hormuz, when they were rocked by explosions.
But a senior Iranian official insisted Iran had "no connection with the incident".
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Panama’s maritime authority has begun the process of withdrawing the registration of the oil tanker MT Riah, which ended up in Iranian waters after it disappeared from ship tracking maps in the strait of Hormuz on 14 July. Panama began the flag-withdrawal process on Friday after ...

You misunderstood. The two tankers I was talking about were the two I linked. I thought the seizure of those two tankers had the two leading parties outraged not the rest. I was trying specific.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Iran was prepared to keep Obama's initiative.
Until it got busted...........

But now Iran is going ahead and the situation is more dangerous.

Please don't tell us all how righteous we all are in the West. That's naive.

I never mentioned anything about righteous. But the facts is Iran broke the deal many times in the first 3 years it was in place before the U.S said enough is enough we are pulling out, here is some sanctions btw. Then when Iran gets their panties in a wad everyone wants act like it's the U.S. fault. You may like looking up at Iran from your knees but not the U.S.
 
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