Darkforbid
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Why would you expect different times and cultures to have the same theological idears
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What Irks You Most About Atheists, Agnostics, And Non-Believers?
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Why would you expect different times and cultures to have the same theological idears
PruePhillip
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With some atheists is the belief that science backs their cause.
In fact science and religion are separate realms.
And the claim that the whole of existence sprang into being all
on its own is a more outrageous claim than saying something
outside of it all created the universe.
PruePhillip
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Darkforbid
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Bob the Unbeliever
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If there truly were just the one god? Absolutely! It follows.
I would also expect only one "holey" book as well-- and that none of the fake ones would be suffered to even exist in the first place.
What we have? Is utter chaos -- millions of different "holy" texts, most in direct competition with the others.
As if there was no single Authority of any merit whatsoever...
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
If I had to say, it would be their complete inability to understand the Gospel.
They talk about how the Bible is too many more rules. But actually the people suffering most under moralism are they themselves.
Let me explain. Secular morality constantly judges the worth of people by what they do for a living, how much they earn, etc, etc, etc. This is no different from Jewish system of the Law, or the sort of understanding of Christianity that a child would have. But morality is not Christian. Nor is denying one has sin.
The Gospel teaches us neither that there is no such thing as sin, nor that we are to prove ourselves worthy. The cross is given to us so that we understand that while all of us have failed, our worth is intrinsic not something to be measured with some impressive job.
They talk about how the Bible is too many more rules. But actually the people suffering most under moralism are they themselves.
Let me explain. Secular morality constantly judges the worth of people by what they do for a living, how much they earn, etc, etc, etc. This is no different from Jewish system of the Law, or the sort of understanding of Christianity that a child would have. But morality is not Christian. Nor is denying one has sin.
The Gospel teaches us neither that there is no such thing as sin, nor that we are to prove ourselves worthy. The cross is given to us so that we understand that while all of us have failed, our worth is intrinsic not something to be measured with some impressive job.
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Liu
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I find the claim that some religions are good for some and some bad for some to be less arrogant than the claim that all religions are bad for everyone, that's what I was talking about.
I don't expect the atheists in question to become convinced that religion can help some people, but just to become open to the possibility. What I was complaining about was their conviction that it can never be something beneficial.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
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This isn't meant to get personal, ragging on your most detested atheist, agnostic, or non-believer, but to consider the most irksome general approaches and conduct they display.
Think in terms of, "They . . . ."
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THE MIFFERS!
It's (only) the Miffers!
The ones who shout out that the bible is all a myth.
This irks me because I know that I can learn nothing from such dunces about the true parts that abound in the bible. I mean, you've gotta be a total nutter to be a full on devoted Miffer!
Other Atheists and Agnostics are all beautiful people.
Skwim
Veteran Member
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This isn't meant to get personal, ragging on your most detested atheist, agnostic, or non-believer, but to consider the most irksome general approaches and conduct they display.
Think in terms of, "They . . . ."
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Nothing at all as they are just human beings like myself. I may not agree with some of their views but that doesn’t mean we can’t be good friends.
PruePhillip
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There's only two options as far as I can tell. The universe either:
1 - created itself
2 - created by God.
Both are miracles.
When people say that matter can form from energy or there's this
"quantum vacuum" where things can pop into existence they are
forgetting that once there was no energy or quantum of any kind.
Liu
Well-Known Member
That's far from all options.
It could also:
- be created by a group of beings
- be a virtual reality within another universe
- have existed always, or developed out of another universe
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And that there was no energy etc before the big bang is one of several theories.
Darkforbid
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Hampsters? Is this what we’re calling people from the Hamptons?
Martin
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"Hampton Wick"?