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Perceptions about homosexuality which might

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
FYI, I'm a bisexual who prefers men or women around 35-40 years old. I am 30. I feel that a lot of Subs don't mind someone a little older.

Being age 55, I grew up in the early 1980's. I remember what young people looked like when I was young and that era of my youth is what I find still attractive. Much of attractiveness has to do with the way people look, wear their hair, dress, talk, act, etc. I'm attracted to the typical 1970's/1980's white young person look and people then from the SF Bay Area in California. High school boys were mostly clean-shaven and girls often wore skirts and dresses then. The fuller permed or layered hair look was common in both sexes. There were no body piercings, tatts or weird hair colors in younger people then. Younger people then had better English and seemed more intelligent in their manner of speech. The San Francisco Bay Area then had high academic standards in public schools in middle-to-rich class white communities of the northern coastal California San Francisco metro area practically in Santa Clara, San Mateo, Sonoma, Santa Clara, Marin and Sonoma counties. The east side of the Bay was Alameda, Contra Costa and Solano counties and those were comparably lower class and ghetto-like. East Oakland, Hayward, Vallejo and East Palo Alto were slums. I grew up in Woodside California. Stanford University is a stone's throw away and so were mansions of the rich in Menlo Park, CA. Upper middle class white neighborhoods. No ghetto stuff, period. People seemed more natural and human then in general. It is the middle-class people of the pre-1990's in the higher-class white communities of the San Francisco Bay Area that I find most attractive. This is where I was raised, educated and grew up and this is what I've known in my boyhood and younger manhood. The California coastal beach culture of old. The older culture of the San Andreas fault. We baby boomers and early gen-Xers weren't inundated with all this technological gadget stuff. The cool thing to carry around then was a boombox radio and not a smartphone.

Unfortunately in the era of my youth, same-sex relationships were shamed and condemned by mainstream society. For high-school boys to show interest in other young men openly was an absolute no-no in the 1970s/1980s. Men and boys who were scorned or disliked were still often called various F words and other homosexual terms and were deemed UNCOOL by the youth generation and the older generations alike then. There was huge pressure by peers and older people alike for "boys to like girls". Homosexuality and bisexuality were suppressed still during the sexual revolution. It was free love but only free love for heterosexuals. Homosexuals and bisexuals have been in an age of suppression for many centuries. They have not enjoyed true societal liberation since ancient Greece and Rome. The Church has been their largest world-wide suppressors.
 
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The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Being age 55, I grew up in the early 1980's. I remember what young people looked like when I was young and that era of youth is what I find still attractive. Much of attractiveness has to do with the way people look, wear their hair, dress, talk, act, etc. I'm attracted to the typical 1970's/1980's white young person look and people then from the SF Bay Area in California. High school boys were mostly clean-shaven and girls often wore skirts and dresses then. The fuller permed or layered hair look was common in both sexes. There were no body piercings, tatts or weird hair colors in younger people then. Younger people then had better English and seemed more intelligent in their manner of speech. People seemed more natural and human then in general. We baby boomers and early gen-Xers weren't inundated with all this technological gadget stuff. The cool thing to carry around then was a boombox radio and not a smartphone.
Those days are over. Maybe you should move out of your past and into the 21st century
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Those days are over. Maybe you should move out of your past and into the 21st century
I'm sorry. I'm not attracted to the image of TODAY's people whatsoever.
The mere sight of beards on younger men, buzz cuts on women and ghetto clothes/piercings/blue hair and tattoos and widespread obesity on everybody nauseates me as well as the lack of education, good English in particular. Stupidity and ignorance are also as ugly as sin. The dumbed-down 21st century had made the human race look at its very ugliest ever. On top of the visual ugly is the undisciplined spoiled-rottenness of today's youth, this kind of ugly goes deep to the bone. The days of ladies and gentlemen, work ethics, class and academic standards are gone, yes indeed.

America today looks like a large motley gang of convicts, derelicts and ghetto bums. Infrastructure is decaying to the level of the third or fourth world. Even the criminals and the mafia of the early 20th century were finely dressed and clean-shaven though they were crudely violent.

When people were beautiful, so was our nation.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
There were no body piercings, tatts or weird hair colors in younger people then.
Are you serious? Never heard of punk rock or even Cyndi Lauper???

I'm from San Francisco, myself, and you just sound like a racist, honestly. You make me feel ashamed of my hometown. Such backwards attitudes are to be expected in areas more known for their racism like Orange County or the redneck inland areas like Bakersfield but not SF, the center of hippie culture.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Are you serious? Never heard of punk rock or even Cyndi Lauper???

I'm from San Francisco, myself, and you just sound like a racist, honestly. You make me feel ashamed of my hometown. Such backwards attitudes are to be expected in areas more known for their racism like Orange County or the redneck inland areas like Bakersfield but not SF, the center of hippie culture.

Being attracted to my own white culture is not racist. I don't like to mingle with other cultures. The surfer culture of California was white: get over it. Homophobic terms were commonly used in the high schools of both Marin and San Mateo counties where I attended and I'm the class of '82 in Novato HS. My family moved from Woodside to Novato in 1981. Woodside was rizty even back then but my family was middle-class. Woodside was of a higher class and mostly white. Have you heard of Huey Lewis and the News? Local Marin boy. I do miss those Huey Lewis SF Bay Area 1980's. No, I was never attracted to hippie culture. I thought those people were dirty and disgusting too. The Beach Boys image of the 1960's was clean-cut, innocent and decent.

The white people of Woodside often cited the black students who were bussed in from the other side of the railroad tracks, East Palo Alto, of course. I attended Woodside High from 1978-1981. I witnessed such bussing first hand. There was a well-dressed senior boy, class of '79, in my freshman year at Woodside of old-school Italian Catholic heritage. He complained about all those yellow busses filled with (n-words) as he drove past them in the parking lot in his sharp black 1966 Mustang fastback.

I used to ride my bicycle on Atherton Avenue in Menlo Park. I witnessed those opulent mansions and lush-green estate properties. It was this California that impressed me then.

Lincoln Continentals, Cadillac Sevilles, Porsches, Toyota Celicas, Audi Foxes, Datsun Z cars, Toyota Supras, BMWs, Corvettes, Jaguars and Mercedes-Benz were a common sight in late-70's Woodside/Menlo/Atherton/Stanford/Portola Valley. There was an occasional Rolls-Royce as well but the mansion dwellers had those.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Being attracted to my own white culture is not racist. Homophobic terms were commonly used in the high schools of both Marin and San Mateo counties where I attended and I'm the class of '82 in Novato HS. My family moved from Woodside to Novato in 1981. Woodside was rizty even back then but my family was middle-class.
Oh, please. You have been complaining about black people by using racist dog whistles in thread after thread and whining about wonderful your precious white neighborhoods were before they were "ghettoized" or whatever. You're not fooling me.
 

Jonathan Bailey

Well-Known Member
Oh, please. You have been complaining about black people by using racist dog whistles in thread after thread and whining about wonderful your precious white neighborhoods were before they were "ghettoized" or whatever. You're not fooling me.
I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm just telling it as my eyes see it and how my mind remembers it.

The only ugly thing about my youth past was the apparent aversion toward same-sex relationships way back then. As long as I live I shall never forget the later half of the 20th century and the SF Bay Area of my youth age then.

I have always felt most comfortable around my kind of people: the type of people I used to know when was young. Those times have sadly died along with my grandparents and parents. It's a sad, empty and lonely feeling to remember the past and all its glory. The days when the American Dream was at its peak.
 
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PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I don't really think of Jonathan as a hardened textbook racist. More like he's kind of experiencing a coginitive dissonance and whiplash in the changing world he lives in, and for some reason kind of doesn't recognize that some changes to the world, not all, are for the better. He probably has a lot of grief and sorrow in his life and just has to get it out one form or another. Like I do. But then while he does this, the forum isn't quite ready to handle such a thing, since it's more of a forum prepared for fellowship and banter. So either I'm projecting my own thoughts thinking I'll somehow relate, or he's kind of at a loss sometimes in threads like I am.

But what do I know.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm just telling it as my eyes see it and how my mind remembers it.

The only ugly thing about my youth past was the apparent aversion toward same-sex relationships way back then. As long as I live I shall never forget the later half of the 20th century and the SF Bay Area of my youth age then.

I have always felt most comfortable around my kind of people: the type of people I used to know when was young. Those times have sadly died along with my grandparents and parents. It's a sad, empty and lonely feeling to remember the past and all its glory. The days when the American Dream was at its peak.
Things change and America is a diverse, multiethnic society. I don't feel bad for you as I've always been around a variety of people. I think you need to get over it. Probably spending time around people who are different than you would be a good thing as you'll see that you're not so different.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I don't really think of Jonathan as a hardened textbook racist. More like he's kind of experiencing a coginitive dissonance and whiplash in the changing world he lives in, and for some reason kind of doesn't recognize that some changes to the world, not all, are for the better. He probably has a lot of grief and sorrow in his life and just has to get it out one form or another. Like I do. But then while he does this, the forum isn't quite ready to handle such a thing, since it's more of a forum prepared for fellowship and banter. So either I'm projecting my own thoughts thinking I'll somehow relate, or he's kind of at a loss sometimes in threads like I am.

But what do I know.
It sounds like the casual xenophobia that comes from living a sheltered life and can only be remedied by mingling with a diverse array of people.
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I don't really think of Jonathan as a hardened textbook racist. More like he's kind of experiencing a coginitive dissonance and whiplash in the changing world he lives in, and for some reason kind of doesn't recognize that some changes to the world, not all, are for the better. He probably has a lot of grief and sorrow in his life and just has to get it out one form or another. Like I do. But then while he does this, the forum isn't quite ready to handle such a thing, since it's more of a forum prepared for fellowship and banter. So either I'm projecting my own thoughts thinking I'll somehow relate, or he's kind of at a loss sometimes in threads like I am.

But what do I know.
He seems to be pretty racist to me. He was throwing around the term raghead the other day. We all age and the world changes and that is no excuse to lash out venomously at others because they are of a different race. I don't care if grandpa lived in a different time when such things were acceptable, grandpa still doesn't get to use the n-word without being told that respectable people do not do that. If someone on this wants to act like a jerk because life is not going their way, then too bad. There will be consequences and if you act out your jerkish impulses you better be prepared to for them because there are a lot of rat basterds like me out there who just thrive on showing jerks their place
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
He seems to be pretty racist to me. He was throwing around the term raghead the other day. We all age and the world changes and that is no excuse to lash out venomously at others because they are of a different race. I don't care if grandpa lived in a different time when such things were acceptable, grandpa still doesn't get to use the n-word without being told that respectable people do not do that. If someone on this wants to act like a jerk because life is not going their way, then too bad. There will be consequences and if you act out your jerkish impulses you better be prepared to for them because there are a lot of rat basterds like me out there who just thrive on showing jerks their place

Haha.

Either way, I must have missed some stuff. I always miss all the good stuff due to my inability to read every thread.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
From my understanding the experts on pedophilia disagree with you. It is a common error that some make.

There are very few experts concerning paedophilia, if any, but I am at a disadvantage since I haven't looked at this for some years. Like to provide any evidence for your claims? Which is presumably that paedophiles are indiscriminate as to the choice of victim gender, particularly when I was just referring to attractions or arousal and not to behaviour resulting in victims.

Always willing to learn.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
There are very few experts concerning paedophilia, if any, but I am at a disadvantage since I haven't looked at this for some years. Like to provide any evidence for your claims? Which is presumably that paedophiles are indiscriminate as to the choice of victim gender, particularly when I was just referring to attractions or arousal and not to behaviour resulting in victims.

Always willing to learn.
Why do you keep repeating your errors? I said or implied nothing about the choice of the genders of the victims of pedophiles. Where did you get that from?
 
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