Audie
Veteran Member
[/QUOTE]On the 31st floor, my gold plated door
will keep you peasants out
Is that supposed to be anything
other than annoying?
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[/QUOTE]On the 31st floor, my gold plated door
will keep you peasants out
Is that supposed to be anything
other than annoying?
Nice try, but Grammar Nazi says,
Everyone is self made. Luck or fate doesn’t determine who we are. Some wealthy people had good luck while some succeeded in spite of terribly bad luck. Similarly some poor people have bad luck while others are still poor despite some very good luck. It all comes down to the choices people make. Our choices are the determining factor, not “luck”. I reject your fatalism. We are all self made. To deny that is to deny free will and an existential part of our humanity.No one is self made. That itself is a myth. But, that's the awesome benefit of being a social animal. We don't have to do it all on our own, and it's foolish to attempt it.
"Do wealthier people owe their financial success to skill or luck? Your views on this question may be set by your own financial status, at least according to a study of people playing a card game.
In a simplified two-player version of the game known as “President” (or less politely, “*******”) winners were more likely than losers to credit their success to skill rather than luck – even though the game clearly involved little skill and when the odds were blatantly rigged in the winner’s favour.
“It was absolutely obvious one of the players was playing with a huge advantage,” says Mauricio Bucca of the European University Institute in Florence, Italy."
Source: Life’s winners think success was earned even if it was down to luck
Who would have thought that people could be so biased ?
No one is a self contained island. No one is free from being influenced by external factors. No one does everything on their own. We are social animals, and we do behave like it.Everyone is self made.
I've never advocated fatalism. But I do reject free will because clearly it doesn't exist.I reject your fatalism.
Everyone is self made. Luck or fate doesn’t determine who we are. Some wealthy people had good luck while some succeeded in spite of terribly bad luck. Similarly some poor people have bad luck while others are still poor despite some very good luck. It all comes down to the choices people make. Our choices are the determining factor, not “luck”. I reject your fatalism. We are all self made. To deny that is to deny free will and an existential part of our humanity.
He learned the skills from someone, needed someone to buy the gold, and needed a society to agree that gold is valuable.Suppose a lone prospector goes out and
finds a gold mine. You going to say he is not self-
made millionaire?
I guess you can play semantics that way if it suits.
He learned the skills from someone, needed someone to buy the gold, and needed a society to agree that gold is valuable.
Um, ok, total communication failure.
Suppose a lone prospector goes out and
finds a gold mine. You going to say he is not self-
made millionaire?
I guess you can play semantics that way if it suits.
He learned the skills from someone, needed someone to buy the gold, and needed a society to agree that gold is valuable.
There is, I think, the most significant point here. That prospector didn’t go out there alone; he went out with 5000 other prospectors. 99.9% of them found nothing but dirt and a few small flakes of gold at best.Not only that, but he also needed the state to have a policy of expansionism and the military to clear the land of those pesky natives so that the prospector can claim his mine and work it unmolested.
That's really the big issue. All this "self-made" rhetoric is done against the backdrop of militaristic expansionism and labor exploitation.
*sigh* Right.
You posted. I gave a significant response, to which you gave a light-hearted response, with a typo “meep” instead of “keep”.
All was well.
But keeping with the humor aspect, I replied via a gif displaying the muppet character “beaker”, whose sole word of communication is “meep”.
You didn’t get the joke, but within your self-quoted response, you reposted your original text. However, you corrected your original misspelling, so that the “meep” was now “keep” (obviously recognizing, yet not admitting your prior mistake).
To which I posted the soup nazi meme, castigating your action in a light hearted manner.
And now apparently you didn’t get the joke again.
Not only that, but he also needed the state to have a policy of expansionism and the military to clear the land of those pesky natives so that the prospector can claim his mine and work it unmolested.
That's really the big issue. All this "self-made" rhetoric is done against the backdrop of militaristic expansionism and labor exploitation.
I have an uncle who is still stuck in the mao-
cultural revolution days.
We know better than to get him started.
You and he might have a terrific time talking
about capitalist-roaders, and all that rot.
Maybe. I've had conversations with some Russians, both emigres to the US and people who live there. I've seen a wide array of opinions, both pro-Soviet and anti-Soviet. And even among those who are anti-Soviet, they're still rather patriotic about some things, such as the Soviet role in WW2. Also, since Khrushchev denounced Stalin, they could discuss the Stalinist period with a certain level of frankness and honesty without necessarily being "anti-Soviet" as defined by post-Stalinist leaders.
And they've all had some rather frank and outspoken views about the US system.
You might think that I rail against capitalism too much, but one thing to keep in mind is that it's in the context of so many people here in America constantly crowing and thumping their chests about what a wonderful system capitalism is. When many Americans (mostly conservatives, but even some liberals) endless gush over capitalism, they sp
thoseread it on so thick as to be unbelievable.
There's also a certain religious fervor from some of its adherents, along with a certain self-righteous, moralistic attitude towards "unbelievers." I grew up with the idea of America being a bunch of knights in shining armor, the defenders of all that is good and righteous, while those in the "evil empire" were these horrible devils with horns out to destroy the entire world.
I have no illusions about this world or the various political and economic systems which have shaped it into what it is today. It is what it is. All I would ask is that people be more honest about it. This "us vs. them" rhetoric which paints "us" as the good guys and "them" as the villains can get rather old.
Most of the wealthy I know are
extremely hard working. The few who are
not tend to be widows.
This "did not earn" is a preamble to,
"So we are morally bound to confiscate it."
An extensive survey of millionaires has found out that many myths about them are false. Most millionaires are self made, they did not inherit their money. Most millionaires have ordinary jobs, not jobs like doctors or athletes. Most millionaires do not come from wealthy families, they mostly come from at or below median incentives families.
Everyday Millionaires by Chris Hogan
I've never advocated fatalism. But I do reject free will because clearly it doesn't exist.
No one is a self contained island. No one is free from being influenced by external factors. No one does everything on their own. We are social animals, and we do behave like it.
I've never advocated fatalism. But I do reject free will because clearly it doesn't exist.