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What is the Mormon response to Rev.Ch.#22 Vs. 18-22: "I warn everone who hears the words etc"

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I am fine with the story of the funerary texts. So too are most people who looked into Smith's
magical ability to read Egyptian.
There is no third testament. Jesus didn't go back to the priests, rites and temple.
So flippant. Not really even deserving of a thoughtful response.
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
I am fine with the story of the funerary texts.
Really? You didn't sound "fine" with them in your earlier post.
So too are most people who looked into Smith's magical ability to read Egyptian.
The Bible records that the interpretation of tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit.
There is no third testament. Jesus didn't go back to the priests, rites and temple.
There are an infinite number of testimonies of the Lord Jesus Christ.

When did He turn away from Priests, rites and Temples?
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
So flippant. Not really even deserving of a thoughtful response.

Okay, I suppose that neither of us can read hieroglyphics.
If people who can read this assert that the so-called testimony
of Abraham is a boiler-plate funeral text then I accept this is the
truth.
Smith certainly had a vivid imagination, supported by many
works of fiction at that time. Whoever believes his Book of
Abraham, or the man himself, is a VICTIM of fraud.

Look, I accept the moral teaching of the Mormon church. And
I love Mormons in general. Furthermore I encourage people to
have religiosity in their lives, be it Catholicism, Protestantism,
Mormonism or even that awful shunning church, the JW's.

 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Okay, I suppose that neither of us can read hieroglyphics.
If people who can read this assert that the so-called testimony
of Abraham is a boiler-plate funeral text then I accept this is the
truth.
Smith certainly had a vivid imagination, supported by many
works of fiction at that time. Whoever believes his Book of
Abraham, or the man himself, is a VICTIM of fraud.

Look, I accept the moral teaching of the Mormon church. And
I love Mormons in general. Furthermore I encourage people to
have religiosity in their lives, be it Catholicism, Protestantism,
Mormonism or even that awful shunning church, the JW's.

Have you ever read the Book of Abraham?
 

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Are Jews supposed to have migrated to the New World?
I understand the "lost tribes" were absorbed into surrounding nations
or migrated down south to Judea. There's certainly no evidence of
Jews in the Americas prior to 1492.
Correct. No Jews that we know of migrated to the Americas prior to Columbus.

What does this have to do with the Nephites?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Okay, I suppose that neither of us can read hieroglyphics.
If people who can read this assert that the so-called testimony
of Abraham is a boiler-plate funeral text then I accept this is the
truth.
Smith certainly had a vivid imagination, supported by many
works of fiction at that time. Whoever believes his Book of
Abraham, or the man himself, is a VICTIM of fraud.

Look, I accept the moral teaching of the Mormon church. And
I love Mormons in general. Furthermore I encourage people to
have religiosity in their lives, be it Catholicism, Protestantism,
Mormonism or even that awful shunning church, the JW's.

You know what... I have nothing more to say to you. There are more than enough mature, civil individuals on this forum for me to interact with. I can choose to be picky. Yeah... I love you, too. :cool:
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Have you ever read the Book of Abraham?

A big fat NO.
Some things you need to check for yourself. But the history of Joseph Smith
and the claims of Joseph Smith are highly offensive to me. Although I had the
Pearl of Great Price and the covenant book for some years I couldn't bring
myself to read more than a few pages - they were just so plainly stupid, and
highly plagiarized.
I found it funny that Jesus keeps quoting from the Gospels. I mean, Jesus
couldn't come up with anything new in Smith's own bible.

oh and of course, Jesus is starting all over again because His Truth failed,
and he's trying something different.
 
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Prestor John

Well-Known Member
A big fat NO.
Then you are completely ignorant of this topic.
Some things you need to check for yourself.
You should check out all things.

Are you lazy or scared?
But the history of Joseph Smith and the claims of Joseph Smith are highly offensive to me.
Like what?
Although I had the Pearl of Great Price and the covenant book for some years I couldn't bring
myself to read more than a few pages - they were just so plainly stupid, and highly plagiarized. I found it funny that Jesus keeps quoting from the Gospels. I mean, Jesus
couldn't come up with anything new in Smith's own bible.
If the Gospels contain the truth - which has always been the claim made by Joseph Smith - then why would you expect new revelation to be different?
oh and of course, Jesus is starting all over again because His Truth failed, and he's trying something different.
His Truth didn't fail. The people did.

He isn't trying anything "different".

The Restoration of the Gospel in these latter-days followed the same procedure found in the New Testament.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe I don't know what Mormons think about this but my thought is that the verse pertains only to the Book of Revelation.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
This is a dead horse. This has been an accusation for decades. We are not contradicting the Bible except for inaccurate translation. We are not adding to it or detracting from it. We are simply producing other books and magazines that tell other information that don't contradict.

Imagine this; the verse about adding or subtracting is mentioned 5 times in the Bible. Does that mean that after the first time the rest of the Bible was damnable to write?

I believe the Book of Mormon serves as a fanciful fictional version of a commentary on the Bible. I would not accept it as valid for establishing doctrine.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
The bible is the inspired word of God. This means that God intended it to come down to us exactly how it has been written, by His Divine will! God knew exactly how it would be constructed, because God is all knowing, and we are not. This is a principal of faith for all true Christians. Jesus said after many of his parables: "Let those who have eyes to see, see, and let those who have ears to hear, hear!". He repeats this message over and over. This is God telling us to stop playing dumb, stop playing word games. God does not intend to repeat his messages over and over after giving us the bible, with an never ending stream of prophets. That time is over. We can choose the comfort of false prophets, and false teachings if we wish, but come the day of judgement, we will have to answer for our choices.

I believe I have to disagree with that. He isn't called the hound of Heaven for nothing.
 

robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I believe the Book of Mormon serves as a fanciful fictional version of a commentary on the Bible. I would not accept it as valid for establishing doctrine.
We believe that those who believe the Bible will believe the Book of Mormon and vice versa.
 

Clear

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The bible was complete and inerrant. It required no rewriting.

Hi @Richard Dunn
This is an unusual claim you are making. It is not a claim that the biblical text makes of itself. Can you clarify WHICH bible you believe is complete and "inerrant". For example, since the O.P. quotes the New Testament, which of the Greek texts or translations of it do you believe are inerrant?


We believe that those who believe the Bible will believe the Book of Mormon and vice versa.
Hi @robocop (actually)
I would think this claim needs amending.

IF you had said, those who believe in the base moral values taught in the New Testament will believe in the moral values of the Book of Mormon, then I could agree. However, I do not think Mormons believe that people who "Believe the bible" will automatically and necessarily "Believe the Book of Mormon".

Clear
ακφυτωω
 
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robocop (actually)

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hi @Richard Dunn
This is an unusual claim you are making. It is not a claim that the biblical text makes of itself. Can you clarify WHICH bible you believe is complete and "inerrant". For example, since the O.P. quotes the New Testament, which of the Greek texts or translations of it do you believe are inerrant?



Hi @robocop (actually)
I would think this claim needs amending.

IF you had said, those who believe in the base moral values taught in the New Testament will believe in the moral values of the Book of Mormon, then I could agree. However, I do not think Mormons believe that people who "Believe the bible" will automatically and necessarily "Believe the Book of Mormon".

Clear
ακφυτωω

You know best Clear.;)
 
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