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Toxic Group-Think In Society?

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.

HOWEVER, suppose Person B does prove he's not an idiot. The 17+ negative ratings on his account still exist for each post in which he said anything but provide concrete proof.

And I was on such a site in which people were making jokes involving the body and about vegetarians and saying how by liking people's bodies in the bedroom, vegetarians like meat. I said, maybe they need the vegetarian version of a human being. It was a dumb comment, but it got several positive ratings. Then three vegetarians got offended by the posts and made long speeches about how the thread was wrong and how people who made such jokes should be punished. I didn't start the thread, but everyone who made jokes about vegetarians then got rated down. I went from several positive ratings to many negative ones.

So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Some forums that do the positive and negative rating thing keep them as two separate numbers rather than adding and subtracting from the same number, which in my opinion is to way to do it if you're going with a pos/neg system.
 

Road Less Traveled

Active Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.

HOWEVER, suppose Person B does prove he's not an idiot. The 17+ negative ratings on his account still exist for each post in which he said anything but provide concrete proof.

And I was on such a site in which people were making jokes involving the body and about vegetarians and saying how by liking people's bodies in the bedroom, vegetarians like meat. I said, maybe they need the vegetarian version of a human being. It was a dumb comment, but it got several positive ratings. Then three vegetarians got offended by the posts and made long speeches about how the thread was wrong and how people who made such jokes should be punished. I didn't start the thread, but everyone who made jokes about vegetarians then got rated down. I went from several positive ratings to many negative ones.

So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.

The hive mentalities of different social groups.

Easily activated switches inside to attack and mock others of different social groups while praising and applauding each other, while those other social groups are likely to do the same. The redundant parroting of their indoctrination’s.

Enter all of those different hive mentalities of social groups into one giant network of a singular hive mentality, and you get a giant zoo, circus, and insane asylum for the outsider alien observing such behavior of unintelligent, enslaved, ignorant, poor-natured marionettes just doing their thing in participating in the divide and conquer world.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.

HOWEVER, suppose Person B does prove he's not an idiot. The 17+ negative ratings on his account still exist for each post in which he said anything but provide concrete proof.

And I was on such a site in which people were making jokes involving the body and about vegetarians and saying how by liking people's bodies in the bedroom, vegetarians like meat. I said, maybe they need the vegetarian version of a human being. It was a dumb comment, but it got several positive ratings. Then three vegetarians got offended by the posts and made long speeches about how the thread was wrong and how people who made such jokes should be punished. I didn't start the thread, but everyone who made jokes about vegetarians then got rated down. I went from several positive ratings to many negative ones.

So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.
Very scientific!
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.

HOWEVER, suppose Person B does prove he's not an idiot. The 17+ negative ratings on his account still exist for each post in which he said anything but provide concrete proof.

And I was on such a site in which people were making jokes involving the body and about vegetarians and saying how by liking people's bodies in the bedroom, vegetarians like meat. I said, maybe they need the vegetarian version of a human being. It was a dumb comment, but it got several positive ratings. Then three vegetarians got offended by the posts and made long speeches about how the thread was wrong and how people who made such jokes should be punished. I didn't start the thread, but everyone who made jokes about vegetarians then got rated down. I went from several positive ratings to many negative ones.

So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.
I was on a site once which had both + & - ratings.
(The defunct History Channel site.)
Eventually, only newbies had high ratings.
Everyone with any opinions made enemies.
What we have works.
If anything, I'd ditch ratings altogether.
You're lucky that I passed up on buying this place.
Dodged a bullet, eh?
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I was on a site once which had both + & - ratings.
(The defunct History Channel site.)
Eventually, only newbies had high ratings.
Everyone with any opinions made enemies.
What we have works.
If anything, I'd ditch ratings altogether.
You're lucky that I passed up on buying this place.
Dodged a bullet, eh?

With no disrespect to our current owner or how things are run... I don't see you being owner as being too bad. Though I can see you expanding the Jokes section into more boards.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
With no disrespect to our current owner or how things are run... I don't see you being owner as being too bad. Though I can see you expanding the Jokes section into more boards.
I had no plan to change anything, or even have my ownership known.
I wouldn't want to be known as "Mr Charlie", "The Man", or "Your Highness".
 

The Reverend Bob

Fart Machine and Beastmaster
If there is a positive/negative voting system I think websites will do well if they kept the negative votes hidden
 

PureX

Veteran Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.
Humans are basically insane. We are convinced we are sane and reasonable when we really have no idea what sane or reasonable even looks like. And since all anyone actually cares about is money, power (control), and sex, there's no established method of promoting or enforcing sanity or sound reasoning among us. So we're really little more than a bunch of chimps with hyperactive imaginations imagining that we are human beings. Until someone tosses a lit fire-cracker into the mix and we all go berserk for a while.
 
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Erebus

Well-Known Member
Any website that allows both negative ratings and the ability to give those ratings anonymously is going to have to accept that it will be abused. People will form cliques, target specific users or just hand out negative ratings for the hell of it.

While it's hardly going to top my list of the worst evils afflicting mankind, I really don't see a negative rating system as being worth it.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
There is a certain very popular website which has a positive and negative rating system. It's like what we have here on RF in the rate system, kind of, but in addition to positive ratings, there is a negative rating system which takes away points. In addition, some boards can't be accessed without a certain threshold of positive over negative ratings. Get rated down too much and you lose priviledges.

In a perfect world, the negative ratings feature for members would work. A person would see a really R-rated post without content warnings and rate it down.

In reality, there are constant situations like this:

Person A calls person B an idiot and doesn't get rated down.

Person B says "I am not an idiot"

Person B gets rated down some 17-20 times based on the audience giving Person A a benefit of a doubt. All because Person B got called a name.

Person B will continue to get rated down in any responses to the accusation of being an idiot, unless those responses are concrete proof he is NOT an idiot. Then he won't get rated down in those responses.

HOWEVER, suppose Person B does prove he's not an idiot. The 17+ negative ratings on his account still exist for each post in which he said anything but provide concrete proof.

And I was on such a site in which people were making jokes involving the body and about vegetarians and saying how by liking people's bodies in the bedroom, vegetarians like meat. I said, maybe they need the vegetarian version of a human being. It was a dumb comment, but it got several positive ratings. Then three vegetarians got offended by the posts and made long speeches about how the thread was wrong and how people who made such jokes should be punished. I didn't start the thread, but everyone who made jokes about vegetarians then got rated down. I went from several positive ratings to many negative ones.

So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.

I will have to consult my echo chamber for an opinion and get back to you.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I was on a site once which had both + & - ratings.
(The defunct History Channel site.)
Eventually, only newbies had high ratings.
Everyone with any opinions made enemies.
What we have works.
If anything, I'd ditch ratings altogether.
You're lucky that I passed up on buying this place.
Dodged a bullet, eh?
Hate doesn't overcome hate. It only builds more hate. Hatred is only overcome by non-hatred.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Such a system would no doubt be abused by staff, socks, trolls etc. to limit access of individuals they don't agree with. I was almost banned here under false pretenses quite a while ago which cured me of ever paying a dime.
 

usfan

Well-Known Member
So my whole argument? Trigger warnings, a subject brought up by someone on the forum, is a valid subject, but still, there are greater issues like what happens when you don't make people accountable for their actions. In this case, the accountable party in question being the audience who neg-rate posts anonymously.

Living in Progresso World, as we do, is fraught with logical perils. Groupthink loyalty and PC correctness.. at least the APPEARANCE of it.. is More Important than Truth & Reason. Indoctrinees have the proper definitions memorized, and no deviation from the mantra is allowed. Any who do are 'triggered' by their brainwashing, and return a conditioned reflex. It doesn't even pass through the analytical part of the brain, which has been disabled for proper functionality.
;)

Memorized reflexes, not thoughtful examination, is the highest virtue in Progresso World..
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
Living in Progresso World, as we do, is fraught with logical perils. Groupthink loyalty and PC correctness.. at least the APPEARANCE of it.. is More Important than Truth & Reason. Indoctrinees have the proper definitions memorized, and no deviation from the mantra is allowed. Any who do are 'triggered' by their brainwashing, and return a conditioned reflex. It doesn't even pass through the analytical part of the brain, which has been disabled for proper functionality.
;)

Memorized reflexes, not thoughtful examination, is the highest virtue in Progresso World..

Funny thing is, someone will quote your post disagreeing in a way that pretty much proves everything you said correct.
 
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