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Spirit or Superstition?

David T

David T

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Deeje said:
I love the way you explained that! :hugehug:Its so true.
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keep it a secret dont tell the science types they dont see with their hearts!!! They only quantify. The truth we see qualities of nature when we approach love. Love is a quality quantify it and its no longer love but a less than an quantified by me. Dont quantify it it is unbounded. My daughter all love she cant be smart and quantify like smart folk can. Have ryanns eyes. When it gets to busy busy stop breathe imagime ryann she doesnt concern herself with the stuff we, do smile! Keep walking repeat as needed. Shhhh secret.
 
nPeace

nPeace

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Bethsheba Ashe said:
Thank you. Adam and Eve were in the heavens and therefore unborn, and not subject to death until they partook of the light which God had already decreed must come to earth, and so they had to come to earth too. God wasn't punishing but describing the consequences of their actions. It seems like punishment because God curses the Serpent but that is the spirit of the letter Nun which originally looked like a serpent on its belly. The word curse indicated subtraction in the sum of that line. Actually the numbers reveal a blessing (31 × 7) rather than a curse, probably because God intended man to look after the earth for him all along, which is why he set temptation and desire in their path.
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I think @Hockeycowboy may have been indicating more-so, the harmony of scrolls written hundreds of years apart.
Do you think there was an organization of scribes living centuries apart who were scripted in a pact? How do we explain this unbreakable harmony?
 
Deeje

Deeje

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David T said:
keep it a secret dont tell the science types they dont see with their hearts!!! They only quantify. The truth we see qualities of nature when we approach love. Love is a quality quantify it and its no longer love but a less than an quantified by me. Dont quantify it it is unbounded. My daughter all love she cant be smart and quantify like smart folk can. Have ryanns eyes. When it gets to busy busy stop breathe imagime ryann she doesnt concern herself with the stuff we, do smile! Keep walking repeat as needed. Shhhh secret.
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She sounds like a wonderful inspiration to you. The epitome of "don't sweat the small stuff....everything is the small stuff".
I promise I won't tell a soul....
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David T

David T

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Deeje said:
She sounds like a wonderful inspiration to you. The epitome of "don't sweat the small stuff....everything is the small stuff".
I promise I won't tell a soul....
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Indeed. So watch dont engage if you dont have to. Very little clarirty its all in their head.
 
nPeace

nPeace

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David T said:
Aww sweet of you. Really she is always in paradise. She is a bit of that amongst us when You see her.

I ronically i was just having this discussion with some of our more scientific minded. I actually gave up on it. I said the word defect is not a scientific Word bit an illusionary value that we place on nature. Nature does not cannot create defects impossible. When you say that all you see are the leaves you do not see the life hiding behind the leaves. You saw her through the mask the facade thank you

. Mother nature? Father god? loves to fool the eye but the heart reveals the truth. Here is my leaf bug. And btw they insisted defect was a proper scientific term they only see the leaves. Love hides in the open! View attachment 31084
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I think some leaves above and to the sides would make it less easier to see the creature. Sort of like how it is in this jungle of a world.
If we took time to "open our eyes and look", we would see. imo.
 
David T

David T

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nPeace said:
I think some leaves above and to the sides would make it less easier to see the creature. Sort of like how it is in this jungle of a world.
If we took time to "open our eyes and look", we would see. imo.
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Well to a bird its much harder. My daughter nearly impossible.. I mean with my daughter, many just see the mask or the fiction or the "defects" as they see it, which there are no "defects" thats false fantasy. Nature cannot xreate "defects" oh wait there was a defective cloud the other day.oh that defective mountain or defective river... My mistake!!!
 
nPeace

nPeace

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David T said:
Well to a bird its much harder. My daughter nearly impossible.. I mean with my daughter, many just see the mask or the fiction or the "defects" as they see it, which there are no "defects" thats false fantasy. Nature cannot xreate "defects" oh wait there was a defective cloud the other day.oh that defective mountain or defective river... My mistake!!!
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I really love your daughter. I look forward to meeting her.
Does she take after you? Then she is actually speaking in your behalf. I see the love.
 
David T

David T

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nPeace said:
I really love your daughter. I look forward to meeting her.
Does she take after you? Then she is actually speaking in your behalf. I see the love.
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In a sense she is my eyes! I watch peoples "i eyes" here. I am here for a particular reason. To learn why we are blind. We are going to have to understand love. Not as a belief but to know. Belief in love is dead. It cannot see. And its seeing is rendered dead. Quantified measured catagorized valuated, and all nonsense. If you understand love its a characteristic of nature and you and its full nature unbounded well then unquantifed unqualifed love is known. Experienced No belief. Fact. I am sick and tired of " smart" folk they are dumb.
 
Hockeycowboy

Hockeycowboy

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nPeace said:
I really love your daughter. I look forward to meeting her.
Does she take after you? Then she is actually speaking in your behalf. I see the love.
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That's sweet, nPeace!

I tell you, when Jehovah steps in to accomplish His "will on the Earth" (Matthew 6:10), the majority of people -- especially the disadvantaged and hurting -- are going to love it!! Revelation 21:3-4.

I especially look forward to seeing Isaiah 11:6-9 & John 5:28-29 being fulfilled!

People have no idea! They haven't been taught accurately!
 
nPeace

nPeace

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Hockeycowboy said:
That's sweet, nPeace!

I tell you, when Jehovah steps in to accomplish His "will on the Earth" (Matthew 6:10), the majority of people -- especially the disadvantaged and hurting -- are going to love it!! Revelation 21:3-4.

I especially look forward to seeing Isaiah 11:6-9 & John 5:28-29 being fulfilled!

People have no idea! They haven't been taught accurately!
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True that, brother.
The apostle Paul thus shows what results from a lack of accurate knowledge - 2 Thessalonians 3:2 . . .faith is not a possession of all people. . .
Being able to see, is a gift.
 
nPeace

nPeace

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Thirza Fallen said:
Yeah, I do. I was Christian for 28 years, 22 as a fundamentalist. I know all of the silly arguments.
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No. You demonstrate that you do not know,
We are not using the Bible here. History confirms the man Jesus was a real person.
Since you don't know that, it would be beneficial to get the knowledge.
After all, standing and beating ones chest does nothing to show anything.
 
We Never Know

We Never Know

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nPeace said:
No. You demonstrate that you do not know,
We are not using the Bible here. History confirms the man Jesus was a real person.
Since you don't know that, it would be beneficial to get the knowledge.
After all, standing and beating ones chest does nothing to show anything.
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What history besides the bible confirms jesus was real?
 
sealchan

sealchan

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Bethsheba Ashe said:
May I ask, what kind of analysis you are doing with Gen 26? I know someone who is counting letters* as part of a reconstruction of scribal techniques. I find that interesting though it's not my area of expertise.

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* i.e. : 1בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ׃ 2והארץ היתה תהו ובהו וחשך על פני תהום ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים
= 80 letters.
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It was a literary analysis...here are the snippets from my post on another, discontinued forum...

If you follow through the story with respect to the mention of wells you get the following
pattern...first the inhabitants of Gerar stopped up wells that Isaac's father had dug. Then
three wells are described and named that Isaac un-stopped. Then either a new well or
Isaac's father's old well was dug/re-dug (the ambiguity is thick here) in parallel with an
oath that Isaac/Abraham made with Abimelech. Although their is no number of dug wells
strictly specified in the first case I see a pattern of three wells dug by Abraham and
stopped by the Philistines that were later three named wells re-dug by Isaac and an
additional well either dug or re-dug by Isaac in Beersheba. That is 3 + 3 + 1 = 7 or the
well of seven/oath.

Now for the list of triples again...
1. Three places where Isaac lived: Gerar, Valley of Gerar and Beersheba
2. Three restored wells: Esek (Dispute), Sitnah (Opposition) and Rehoboth
(Room)
3. Three types of well: Stopped up wells, Unstopped wells, New well
4. Third sister-wife story: Genesis 26:7-11 to complete the two previous
ones for Abram/Abraham
5. Three visitors: Abimelek, Ahuzzath and Phicol
6. Three agreements/promises: God & Isaac (26:1-6), God & Isaac (26:23-
25) and Isaac and Abimelek (26:26-31)
7. Three responses of Abimelek: in Gerar...protect Isaac; in Gerar
later...repulse Issac, in Beersheba...make a treaty

It just so happens that I have found seven such triples. Although I am dubious that these
are the only obvious valid triples to be found in this text, this may yet be the case.
So we have...

1. Seven triples of thematic pattern
2. Seven wells dug or stopped up
3. The well of oath/seven.

..which makes a meta-triplet. Seven triplets and a triplet of sevens.
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Another poster (5555) from that forum pointed out that there were three famines...

Another 3 is coming in a way.
There was a famine in the days of Abraham. God gives no direction.
There was a famine in the days of Isaac. God tells Isaac not to go to Egypt.
There was a famine in the days if Jacob/Israel. God tells him to go to Egypt.
Matthew Henry pointed that out and emphasized that God could trust Abraham to do the
right thing and cope with any hardship.
Isaac couldn't handle life in Egypt. He was too soft.
Jacob was tough and could deal with living in Egypt. It also was the best available option.
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I also noted that at least in the method of breaking up Genesis we now have this as Chapter 26 which is right near the midpoint of Genesis at 50 Chapters.

This was the only Chapter of Genesis I noted this sort of "musical rhythm" out of the first 38 chapters that I looked at closely.
 
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