Samael_Khan
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Cool. Good to know.
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Jesus in the Quran makes no sense
- Thread starter Octavio Siepi
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Shad
Veteran Member
Jesus makes far greater sense in the Qur'an then it does in the NT, lmao. Seriously, you must have a lot to struggle with all that contradiction, not only among four "gospels" but all those epistles and John's Apocalypse. None of it makes any sense. The only thing you can do as a Christian is simplify and dogmatize your doctrine.
The Qur'an makes incredible sense, it says Jesus was only a Prophet and was a wise teacher that was raised. Nothing particularly bad about that, but you're a Christian, so!
Only the rejection of the Trinity part. The Quran lacks details of the NT and does little to explains anything else.
The NT has a lot of details that are missing from true history. It's good all those irrelevant opinionated musings aren't repeated in the Qur'an. How could they be? It's from God.
SugarOcean
¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
WASP= White Anglo Saxon Protestant?
A Muslim would know the references and the answer .
No, we don't read minds. You should be able to discuss without expecting me to.
SugarOcean
¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
One doesn't have to read minds. Muslims know the Qur'an and the Hadith. They also know what Jizya is. They know what Jihad is and the verses that apply .
That you don't tells me you may very well be a WASP and not a Muslim. Your religious affiliation block in your profile is blank.
What difference would it make if I was an alien? Your argument shouldn't change. But you are refusing to make a coherent argument. If you don't want to debate it, don't. I don't need it.
SugarOcean
¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
The difference is, you've claimed you're a Muslim.
A coherent debate necessitates two parties who are aware of the issue under debate. Since you are not aware of the subjects I asked you about earlier there can be no debate because you are not Muslim.
Mudramoksha
Member
No, you're just another Protestant stroking himself, typical.
You clearly don't understand the Islamic position very well. I'm not a Muslim though, so I will not be debating you on what they believe. However their position is Coherent, whereas your position is inherent incoherent.
You seriously believe "God" would incarnate as a man? just one? even when he himself says otherwise? and when the early church itself had a billion varying views?
Christianity is a mess.
Better than Christianity in every aspect, that's for sure.
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Mudramoksha
Member
You're not a Christian, you're an atheist
I asked what difference it would make, not what the difference is.
To understand the topic is important. Can't really put requirements on how well they should be understood here.
You didn't ask me about anything. I asked you the latest question in response to your comment before that. You never answered me.
That's too bad. I was looking forward to it.
Mudramoksha
Member
The Qur'an is an entirely different form of scripture which requires different analytical methods, in that sense. And no, the Qur'an is not about, to or for Jesus but Jesus is used as an analogous example to Muhammad.
The Qur'an is not a historical record, it's something else, something unique when it comes to scriptural format.
Precisely why one cannot use it to disprove the crucifixion of Jesus, which is a historical fact
Say the Qur'an is not a historical record doesn't equal saying it is not true.
It does equal saying it is not historically true
No it doesn't.
So do you consider the Quran to be historically factual on all matters of history it deals with?
Mudramoksha
Member
No, it's a revelation is what I said in my comment. "word of god" revelation (the only of it's kind too btw).
It's an entirely different thing to a bunch of various people writing a supposed historical record (like the synoptic gospels or the book of acts etc) really long after someone's died.
The Qur'an is an entirely different thing to the New Testament (and Old Testament as well). Different analytical methods are required to engage with the Qur'an.
I don't think any of the New Testament can be regarded as historical from the offset though. Just compare Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - it's a joke.
Jesus is attributed to saying some great things though but I would rather bet my money on the Qur'an being accurate than the NT, for obvious reasons.
Hi,
The quran clearly says that the jews have distorted the Torah. So Jesus came to confirm the original Torah not the manipulated Torah the Jews were showing.
This is just a quick reply.
I advise you to read at least the parts of the Quran talking about Jesus and the parts talking about the Jews.
All the best
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Shad
Veteran Member
My point was the Quran has nothing in comparison to the NT on Jesus. It has to borrow from the NT.