74x12
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Yes, I believe so from the scriptures.But does it have to mean that?
1 Corinthians 11:3 the head of every man is Christ and the head of Christ is God. So Jesus the Son of man is the head of the body(the church) and the head of the whole is God. Which is the Spirit within the church. The church is the temple of the holy Spirit so God is living in the church and flowing from the head of the body which is Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus claims He is the source of the holy Spirit. (John 15:5)Where does it say God is the head of the body? I know that Col 1:18 says Jesus is the head (God made him so), but don't know any that says God is the head.
I agree with that statement. Although I believe Jesus is God; I do not believe that God is three in one. Or three persons in one God as trinitarians say.You bring up some good points, but I'm not sure how any of that proves a trinity.
1 Cor 12:13 is talking about the specific Spirit that when you drink of it; you are made into the body of Christ or in other words a child of God.There are a few verse that speak of "your spirit" (Gal 6:18, Phil 1:25 for example). So we now have at least three different spirits, God, Jesus, and us mentioned in the Bible. There are other entities called spirits, but we'll just leave them out of the equation for now. The question we need to answer is, to which of those spirits does 1 Cor 12:13 refer?
This is how we know it is the Spirit of Jesus Christ because Paul alluding to the same event (the drinking of the Spirit) has this to say:
(Galatians 4:6)
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
So it this is the Spirit of the Son of God that cries within those who receive Him "Abba Father" and thus, God recognizes them as His own children. However, we know this Spirit is also the Spirit of God from passages such as 1 Cor 12:6-13 as well as other ones. Here however, we see that it is God who works in all. Meaning the Spirit of the baptism is the Spirit of God and God is inside of all the body of Christ. The same idea is also in Ephesians 4:5-6. Couple that fact with the fact that there is only one Spirit for the body and you must come to the conclusion that the Father and the Son are the same Spirit.
Well, I don't believe anything proves the trinity doctrine. However, as for 1 Corinthians 8:6. If we always keep in mind that the writers are speaking of the God who is a Spirit (John 4:24) and Jesus the Son of man(human) as He often referred to Himself. So, this "one Lord Jesus Christ" is the Son of man in glorified form having "all power in heaven and earth" (Matthew 28:18) given to Him and sitting on the "right hand" of God or of "the right hand of power" as Mark 14:62 puts it. This He will do in glorified human form until all His enemies are put under His (human) feet. This will fulfill the prophecy of Psalm 8:6 speaking of the Son of man whom God has put "all things under His feet" and of course Psalm 110:1 as well. Jesus does this for our sakes because we could not defeat our enemies without Him. It would be wrong of us to think that Jesus needed victory for His own sake. Because His enemies could have no power over Him unless it was given from above. (John 19:11) So He does all of this for us.But let's say those verses you mentioned in 1 Cor and Romans do prove a trinity and that Jesus is as much God as the Father is God. What do we do then with 1 Cor 8:6? How do we make it say that there is any other God besides God the Father?
1Cor 8:6,
But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
How can we interpret that in a way that would make Jesus, so-called God the Son (which title of course is not actually mentioned in the scriptures) also God?
Either we need to see both what you said and 1 Cor 8:6 say Jesus is God or he is not God. We certainly can't have one say he is God and another say he is not God.
When He is finished with His great work and all humanity's enemies are subdued under Him; then He will deliver the kingdom up to the Father, restored, complete and whole. This is why Paul says God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. (2 Corinthians 5:19)
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.