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Spanish is a bigoted language

Cooky

Cooky

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With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
 
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Altfish

Altfish

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I knew about male and female, that's common in many European languages but didn't realise about this 'status' and 'hierarchy' you refer to; can you give me an example or two.

Thanks
 
Cooky

Cooky

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Altfish said:
I knew about male and female, that's common in many European languages but didn't realise about this 'status' and 'hierarchy' you refer to; can you give me an example or two.

Thanks
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Im sorry, I didn't mean male/female, I meant masculine/femanine.

...I'll present more detail soon.
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

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Landon Caeli said:
With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
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That's typical in most languages but it probably does on some level promote male dominance.
 
Mindmaster

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Landon Caeli said:
With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
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I still don't care about the status quo or any hierarchy, and to answer @Altfish 's question many languages outside of English have different styles of speaking based on the perceived rank or status of the individual you are addressing. And, to not do so would be insulting to the party. This is exceedingly common in many other languages, but one that goes to the extreme is probably Japanese.

Like it or not the "patriarchy" got us here, and is still kicking *** and taking names. Haters gonna hate, yo.
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

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It goes back to Proto-Indoeuropean, the hypothesized ancestor of Indoeuropean languages. Originally the nominal gender system wasn't biological gender. It was a way of classifying nouns, adjectives, pronouns. For some reason I'm not entirely sure of, it morphed into biological gender. Consider that many IE languages have or had a neuter gender, which was purely grammatical. English has a shadow of it with "it" and "they", and their forms. In Sanskrit it's alive and well and used as much as masc. and fem.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

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Can the OP give examples?

For example...the adjectives?
Males say estoy contento
Females say estoy contenta...

What changes? :)
 
PureX

PureX

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Landon Caeli said:
With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
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I don't speak Spanish, but of those who do, or don't, I see no particular connection to "machismo'. I have observed that Spanish speaking Mexicans do not exhibit machismo, whereas Spanish-speaking Puerto-Ricans, do. I also have observed that Italians and Bosnians that do not speak Spanish exhibit machismo, nevertheless. So I don't think language instigates machismo. I think culture does.
 
metis

metis

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Landon Caeli said:
With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
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Disagree, as I do believe most people realize that intrinsic gender-references are just symptomatic of the language based on ancient historical biases. Even in English, for example, God is always used with masculine pronoun, and yet I do believe most people don't believe God has a sex organ.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

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PureX said:
I don't speak Spanish, but of those who do, or don't, I see no particular connection to "machismo'. I have observed that Spanish speaking Mexicans do not exhibit machismo, whereas Spanish-speaking Puerto-Ricans, do. I also have observed that Italians and Bosnians that do not speak Spanish exhibit machismo, nevertheless. So I don't think language instigates machismo. I think culture does.
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Indeed . That is why English does not have a term for machismo. :)
Cultural thing. Typical of Mediterranean cultures..in fact Italian has a word too for that...maschilismo.
 
Martin

Martin

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I learned my Spanish from the Terminator films, like "Hasta la vista, baby", which sounds a bit sexist.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Landon Caeli said:
With Spanish, male and female attributes are core essentials in communication. A lot is based on 'status' and 'hierarchy'. With that, those who speak Spanish are trapped in a hierarchical paradigm for life. Which prevents progress, and enables machismo, which leads to corruptive tendencies to the core.

Do you agree or disagree?
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Considering there are numerous gendered languages, I have to disagree. And, for a moment if you would, think about your accusations and how the compare the neuter English language and its culture.
Words are nothing more than sounds we make. They are powerless and meaningless on their own. A language can be no more bigoted than the clash of thunder or roar of a volcano. The speaker, however, does have the ability and power to take those words, charge them with meaning, and use them for good or ill.
 
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