dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Please provide an example. Any example, any conversation, any topic.
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses falsify the Bible?
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dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Calling this a stretch would be an understatement.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
The Bible does not give people a clear idea of much, so it is easy to cherry pick. You kind of have to. It was not meant to be canon, and was written by different groups of people with different ideas through different times in history.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Agreed. But that depends on which scriptures or faith a person follows.
Regarding your second point, I read somewhere that Hinduism's many gods are actually representations of one God's attributes.
sooda
Veteran Member
OK.. I will flag any of your preachy posts in the future.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
So, you made an accusation that you can't backup?
I at least had the integrity to show you an example when I called you out.
sooda
Veteran Member
I will be happy to flag your preaching posts in future... now that you have asked.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Please do. I would honestly appreciate it.
I do not want to preach, I have nothing to preach about. If I sound preachy, I would consider it very helpful to know when that occurs so that I can correct my approach.
Most Sincerely,
sooda
Veteran Member
OK.. I believe you.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
All you need to do is: If I reply to a post that you read as "preachy"... just reply to it with one word: "Preachy". If you want to give an explanation, great. If not, I won't ask for one.
Eventually, even without explanation, I will notice the pattern and figure it out.
Thank you,
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
You should begin to follow the Bible and not your Charles Russel who was a mason.
Here's a pyramid that your founder Charles wanted built next to his grave. The pyramid and the overturned cross saying it all.
Most of the founding fathers were Masons. They knew they could be Deist and Mason at the same time.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
In fact Washington DC was made by Freemasons and there are loads of Freemason symbolism all over the place.
I have a few of Russells books. He based his idea that the end would come in 1914 on measuring the pyramids, a Freemason symbol. The capstone of the pyramid was seen to be Jesus. The covers of his books have an image of the sun disc with wings. Certain dates that he declared in the 1800's to be significant, such as 1876 and 1881, coincide with the transit of Venus. Jehovah is the God that the Freemasons worship as it has great importance to them. Also Michael the archangel was said to be ruler of the solar age by freemasons and it turns out that JW's made the new ruler, Jesus, Michael.
Too many coincidences.
And I found most of this out by reading his books and an unrelated book about Freemason symbols in Washington.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Way interesting. I will have to check them out.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
The specific book I have read is "Lost Symbols? The Secrets of Washington, D.C." by David Ovason. Then check out Russells original books if you can find any (JW elders were ordered to get rid of them. A JW elder told me this. Dunno if it is true.)
Also read "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike, a Freemason, for the basics of Freemasonry. It is open source now. But so much of an effort to read.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
Thanks, but I'll stick with what I presented. Jesus is Jehovah!
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
The problem JW's and not just them but all within the Christian religion have is they don't look at the NT has separate books or Epistles telling their own separate stories or theologies but they try to get to this mish mash of theologies to work together and that does not work.
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Samael_Khan
Goosebender
True. They assume that they are harmonious. What they should be doing is reading them separately and comparing commonalities and differences. They assume there are no contradictions. Also most Christians I know do not even understand the context of each separate book.
tigger2
Active Member
A Psalm of David. Jehovah saith unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool. - Ps. 110:1, ASV.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. - AKJV.
Jesus is not Jehovah.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
A big problem is that people talk about God as if he/it was a person. But there is no "person" named God. Trinitarians believe God is three "persons". There is a person called father and a person called son ( Jesus ) and a person called Holy Spirit. No person called God. Together these three person make up one God. So the JW view could be correct. The father is ( a ) God and Jesus is ( a ) God and the Holy Spirit is ( a ) God. But NOT three separate gods. Just parts of the one God.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
According to JW theology:
The Father is the only God.
Jesus is not God but the first creation. They REALLY disagree with the idea that Jesus is God. They would use the term a god as a relative term, not as describing someone as a part of God.
The Holy Spirit isn't God and is not a person. It is an active force controlled by God and has no personality.
So your conclusions wouldn't line up with their view.