LightofTruth
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Would they also hate non-Christians who act totally opposite of Jesus?
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What do you hate about Christ (Christianity)?
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Shadow Wolf
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What I don't like about Jesus is specifically his bent on casting people into eternal darkness, into a furnace, and all the eternal punishment stuff he spoke of. I would otherwise consider him a fine teacher, but a good character is not motivated by fear of punishment.
As for the Bible, there is slavery, misogyny, genocide, murder, torture, death for this, execution for that, liars are called righteous, the innocent are frequently punished, children and slaves are forced to undergo non-consensual body modifications, and god makes extremely cruel demands of people (such as telling a father to sacrifice his son - which is not only very cruel on god's part but also child abuse and attempted murder on Abraham's part).
As for the Bible, there is slavery, misogyny, genocide, murder, torture, death for this, execution for that, liars are called righteous, the innocent are frequently punished, children and slaves are forced to undergo non-consensual body modifications, and god makes extremely cruel demands of people (such as telling a father to sacrifice his son - which is not only very cruel on god's part but also child abuse and attempted murder on Abraham's part).
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Sure, but non Christians do not generally follow his teachings. Those Christians who only use Jesus as gatekeeper to heaven are being hypocrites.
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
What do you dislike about Jesus?
I ask mods to be lenient to those who vent their grievances, for I'm trying to understand hatred for Christianity and it's founder. My goal is not to stir up insults towards a Religion, but rather my goal is to understand better why people despise the religion and it's founder, and some of that can be learned even by letting them vent their hatred. I have gone through times where I hated Christianity and hated Jesus, even hated hearing the name. I'm just trying to understand why. (It's kind of difficult to hate someone who loves his enemies and forgives those who crucified him.)
If you hate Christ or hate Christianity, please be honest and transparent, but in a way that will educate me and perhaps others who share this interest, not in a way that violated the rules.
I don't want any hatred in my heart. However, there is something I still hate about Christianity. This idea that those who die without accepting Jesus as Lord and savior go to hell to be miserable for ever is just ridiculous, but so prevalent. Does he really love them? If he's going to send them to hell for simply not believing a doctrine about an unseen entity, how could that in any way be reconciled with love. He told us to love our enemies. If he doesn't follow his own advice, doesn't that make him a hypocrite? So, the hell Dogma is actually very unchristian in my opinion. To hell with it!
This common belief that a person cannot be enlightened, informed, rehabilitated, and convert after death bothers me as well.
What I hate about Christianity is putting up with atheist forum trolls, however, Christ commanded me to love them, the little darlings. I LOVE ME SOME ATHEISTS!
Neutral Name
Active Member
What do you dislike about Jesus?
I ask mods to be lenient to those who vent their grievances, for I'm trying to understand hatred for Christianity and it's founder. My goal is not to stir up insults towards a Religion, but rather my goal is to understand better why people despise the religion and it's founder, and some of that can be learned even by letting them vent their hatred. I have gone through times where I hated Christianity and hated Jesus, even hated hearing the name. I'm just trying to understand why. (It's kind of difficult to hate someone who loves his enemies and forgives those who crucified him.)
If you hate Christ or hate Christianity, please be honest and transparent, but in a way that will educate me and perhaps others who share this interest, not in a way that violated the rules.
I don't want any hatred in my heart. However, there is something I still hate about Christianity. This idea that those who die without accepting Jesus as Lord and savior go to hell to be miserable for ever is just ridiculous, but so prevalent. Does he really love them? If he's going to send them to hell for simply not believing a doctrine about an unseen entity, how could that in any way be reconciled with love. He told us to love our enemies. If he doesn't follow his own advice, doesn't that make him a hypocrite? So, the hell Dogma is actually very unchristian in my opinion. To hell with it!
This common belief that a person cannot be enlightened, informed, rehabilitated, and convert after death bothers me as well.
I don't hate Jesus. I just have problems with Christianity. First, if Jesus was God, He should have known how man could corrupt things and stated things that would prevent "Christians" from corrupting things. There are tens of thousands of denominations. None agree with each other. They are all right and the others are all wrong. What happened to the body of Christ? The church is broken. Second, there are so many hateful and negative "Christians". What happened to the love of Jesus, the joy that everyone is supposed to feel? What happened to loving your neighbor which is what Jesus said was the most important thing except loving God. It isn't either or. It is both. What happened to Christianity to bring it to this point? If Jesus is God, why didn't He answer these things in advance so that Christianity could not become what it is now? If He was God, He would have known that this is important to do. Please explain all of this to me.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Do you hate that about Santa, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and so on?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That isn't love.
patronizing
apparently kind or helpful but betraying a feeling of superiority; condescending
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
Kids usually choose not to believe in those things anymore. Not so with supernatural religion.
What do you dislike about Jesus?
I ask mods to be lenient to those who vent their grievances, for I'm trying to understand hatred for Christianity and it's founder. My goal is not to stir up insults towards a Religion, but rather my goal is to understand better why people despise the religion and it's founder, and some of that can be learned even by letting them vent their hatred. I have gone through times where I hated Christianity and hated Jesus, even hated hearing the name. I'm just trying to understand why. (It's kind of difficult to hate someone who loves his enemies and forgives those who crucified him.)
If you hate Christ or hate Christianity, please be honest and transparent, but in a way that will educate me and perhaps others who share this interest, not in a way that violated the rules.
I don't want any hatred in my heart. However, there is something I still hate about Christianity. This idea that those who die without accepting Jesus as Lord and savior go to hell to be miserable for ever is just ridiculous, but so prevalent. Does he really love them? If he's going to send them to hell for simply not believing a doctrine about an unseen entity, how could that in any way be reconciled with love. He told us to love our enemies. If he doesn't follow his own advice, doesn't that make him a hypocrite? So, the hell Dogma is actually very unchristian in my opinion. To hell with it!
This common belief that a person cannot be enlightened, informed, rehabilitated, and convert after death bothers me as well.
I have conflicting opinions. On one side, I hate it, on the other I find it funny.
I hate Christianity (not necessarily Jesus, if He corresponds to the myth) because of what it did in the past. Read “The Criminal Hystory of Christianity” to have a list.
But now, after they have been tamed by secularism, I do not hate them. On the contrary, I find them an invaluable source of humor. Masterworks like “the Life of Brian” would not have existed without Christianity.
Well, that is because I come from Sweden, where Christianity is on par with Copimism and has no influence whatsoever. i am not sure what I would think if I were from Alabama, though.
Ciao
- viole
Catholicus
Active Member
What do you dislike about Jesus?
I ask mods to be lenient to those who vent their grievances, for I'm trying to understand hatred for Christianity and it's founder. My goal is not to stir up insults towards a Religion, but rather my goal is to understand better why people despise the religion and it's founder, and some of that can be learned even by letting them vent their hatred. I have gone through times where I hated Christianity and hated Jesus, even hated hearing the name. I'm just trying to understand why. (It's kind of difficult to hate someone who loves his enemies and forgives those who crucified him.)
If you hate Christ or hate Christianity, please be honest and transparent, but in a way that will educate me and perhaps others who share this interest, not in a way that violated the rules.
I don't want any hatred in my heart. However, there is something I still hate about Christianity. This idea that those who die without accepting Jesus as Lord and savior go to hell to be miserable for ever is just ridiculous, but so prevalent. Does he really love them? If he's going to send them to hell for simply not believing a doctrine about an unseen entity, how could that in any way be reconciled with love. He told us to love our enemies. If he doesn't follow his own advice, doesn't that make him a hypocrite? So, the hell Dogma is actually very unchristian in my opinion. To hell with it!
This common belief that a person cannot be enlightened, informed, rehabilitated, and convert after death bothers me as well.
It's possible not to be a Christian in one's head; yet to be a Christian in one's soul and thus go to Heaven.
The problem is when someone hates Jesus Christ (and the goodness and kindness He embodies) in their very soul.
That is a rejection of all goodness and kindness - a rejection that may become irrevocable at death, thus eternal.
God would of course rescue the damned (and satan and his angels) if they were prepared to repent or ask for mercy or even shout "help !"
Tragically, they aren't, and never will be; a tragedy arising from free will.
The unconverted who are prepared to budge and convert, go to Purgatory; and from there to Heaven.
Catholicus
Active Member
Such a person is in a state of "invincible ignorance" - thus innocent of rejecting Jesus Christ. Thus won't go to Hell.
Catholicus
Active Member
I've accepted Jesus as Lord and savior and believe < then you better pay attention to the scripture ... the FOUNDATION of what it means to 'believe' in Jesus Christ
everlasting fire ’ Matthew18:8, 25:41
everlasting punishment ’ Matthew 25:46
everlasting chains ’ Jude 1:6
eternal damnation ’ Mark 3:29
eternal judgment ’ Hebrews 6:2
eternal fire ’ Jude 1:7
unquenchable fire ’ Matthew 3:12
the fire that never shall be quenched ’ Mark 9:43, 44, 45, 46, 48
fire unquenchable ’ Luke 3:17
mist of darkness is reserved for ever ’ 2 Peter 2:17
the blackness of darkness for ever ’ Jude 1:13
I just don't believe somebody who is kind and considerate of other people and follows the moral law as it is written in his/her conscience < there is none righteous ... no, not one
If a person understands who Jesus is - and what He embodies - they are in danger of Hell if they refuse to have faith in Him.
Many people in the world don't have this choice, because - through ignorance or misunderstanding - they don't understand who and what Jesus is; and in this world, never will.
Nevertheless, Jesus has other ways communicating with human souls at an unconscious level.
Therefore there are good people who aren't Christians in an everyday, practical sense - but who will be saved nonetheless, because somewhere deep inside themselves, Jesus has got through to them and converted them (without their conscious knowledge) !
Only Jesus Himself can distinguish between a friend and a foe of His.
Catholicus
Active Member
People do terrible
It isn't Religion that poisons everything (as Christopher Hitchens claimed).
It's the savagery and selfishness of human nature that poisons everything - even the history of Christianity.
There is nothing in Christianity that warrants evil behaviour.
Whereas the crimes of notable atheists like Lenin and Stalin were facilitated by atheism.
It isn't Religion that poisons everything (as Christopher Hitchens claimed).
It's the savagery and selfishness of human nature that poisons everything - even the history of Christianity.
There is nothing in Christianity that warrants evil behaviour.
Whereas the crimes of notable atheists like Lenin and Stalin were facilitated by atheism.
Catholicus
Active Member
The universe is supernatural; it didn't create itself, nor can it sustain itself in existence, except by the will of God.
Catholicus
Active Member
No - you're thinking of Atheism.
So, your ideology is not better than Leninism and Stalinism. Due noted.
And I don’t care what Christianity enables or not. i just see what it does. It did horrible things. Now it is slightly better.
However, there are some parts of it that, among other things,
1) like to discriminate against gays,
2) want to decide whether I am allowed to terminate my life if I want,
3) would like to decide whether I can abort or not
4) rape kids and protect the rapist, so that he can rape more kids
So, still some work to do for secularists
Ciao
- viole
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Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
How is atheism make believe? It's the default position, or at least agnosticism is, before we are taught about any deities.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
So why did whatever god you believe in create so many planets, etc when only one can sustain human life?
Catholicus
Active Member
By God's grace, people can do right;- and who is a true Christian (a true believer) in the eyes of Jesus Christ - who is a good person - only He has the right to say.
Some non-believers are good people; their rejection of Christianity isn't a rejection of Jesus Christ.
The cornerstone of Christianity is our free choice between good and evil: "I have set before you Life and Death, says the Lord. Choose Life".
Thus a good person can go wrong and become evil - but even the most evil of people can exercise his / her free choice to be good; and thus repent and be saved.
God is Love, thus a libertarian - therefore gave His angels the free will to be good or evil; a third of them chose to become evil.
It is, of course, only by God's grace (which is extended to all people, even atheists) that we haven't ourselves become evil, or even very evil, people. Only God's grace has preserved us.
Only people who want to be stubbornly and eternally evil go to Hell. Their eternal persistence in evil is a tribute to the liberty that God has endowed them with.
Yes - nature is cruel and indifferent; because it too is free.
Human nature has made this a very dark world - Jesus said "I am the light of this dark world" - almost the only light in fact; almost all progress to a better world has been a by-product of Christianity.
Only the death of a truly good person - Jesus on the Cross - has ransomed us from Hell. The all=powerful God is also the powerless Victim.
The vision of God in the book of Revelation, shows Victimhood - the sacrificial lamb - to be at the very heart of God's being.
Thus any suffering person - and far more, an innocent suffering person - is the suffering Christ. And thus helping to redeem the world.
Catholicus
Active Member
The existence of God is self-evident from that of the universe; notably, from uncanny wonders like the Night Sky.