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What is the Trinity?
- Thread starter SA Huguenot
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Let us see the whole picture why the Lord Jesus Christ said
"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father"
Instead of reading one verse we are going to extend the whole message to verse 20
John 14:9-20 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
What did Jesus say?
Did Jesus say that if you see me, you see God - and it means Jesus is God?
Or did Jesus say - The Father is living in me.
The Father is the one speaking through him.
The Father is working in me.
The Father is the one performing the miracles.
That after Jesus is taken up to heaven - he will also be living in them as the Father is in him.
The statements of Jesus are not to be taken literally, because if we were
Part of his statements say: .....I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you
The apostles would be Gods also, particularly apostle Philip
Jesus is NOT GOD
Jesus has performed miraculous works.
But the Lord Jesus Christ said these are the works of the Father working in him.
...it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work
This proves that Jesus is a MAN approved by God through the miracles and wonders, they saw God performed in him.
Acts 2:22 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
“My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.
1/6 discussed
Hmmmmm, highly unlikely to have any credence.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Who made all things through Him?
Colossians 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Jesus is the firstborn over all creation.
He was created - the firstborn, am I correct?
Hebrews 1:1-2
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Who is the heir of all things? Jesus Christ
Who made the world? God made the world
And after making the world, who will be the heir? Jesus Christ
I wonder how you missed these things and presume Christ is the creator.
Who made all things through him????
It was God and if it was God, then Jesus Christ is not God but
God made all things through the name of Jesus Christ.
av·a·tar
/ˈavəˌtär/
noun
noun: avatar; plural noun: avatars
- 1.
Hinduism
a manifestation of a deity or released soul in bodily form on earth; an incarnate divine teacher.- an incarnation, embodiment, or manifestation of a person or idea.
"he chose John Stuart Mill as the avatar of the liberal view"
- an incarnation, embodiment, or manifestation of a person or idea.
- 2.
an icon or figure representing a particular person in video games, Internet forums, etc.
Avatar is not a terminology of the Bible.
Jesus Christ is NO PUPPET. OR MANIFESTATION
Jesus Christ is NO COMPUTER ICON OR FIGURE
Jesus Christ is a MAN not God.
Jesus Christ is not the Creator
The Father made all things through Jesus Christ
God is the Creator
Malachi 2:10 New International Version (NIV)
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?
3/6 commented
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Let us see the whole picture why the Lord Jesus Christ said
"Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father"
Instead of reading one verse we are going to extend the whole message to verse 20
John 14:9-20 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
“If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
What did Jesus say?
Did Jesus say that if you see me, you see God - and it means Jesus is God?
Or did Jesus say - The Father is living in me.
The Father is the one speaking through him.
The Father is working in me.
The Father is the one performing the miracles.
That after Jesus is taken up to heaven - he will also be living in them as the Father is in him.
The statements of Jesus are not to be taken literally, because if we were
Part of his statements say: .....I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you
The apostles would be Gods also, particularly apostle Philip
Jesus is NOT GOD
Jesus has performed miraculous works.
But the Lord Jesus Christ said these are the works of the Father working in him.
...it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work
This proves that Jesus is a MAN approved by God through the miracles and wonders, they saw God performed in him.
Acts 2:22 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
“My fellow Israelites, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you. He proved it by the miracles, wonders, and miraculous signs he did through Jesus. You all saw these things, so you know this is true.
1/6 discussed
Cool. I will be directed where the evidence leads me.
The above verses you mentioned is further evidence that the Trinity doesn't make sense because according to that theory the Father is not the Son, therefore the Father cannot be in the son.
It would further the case that Jesus is God in the sense that he is an Avatar of God.
So Jesus speaks from Gods authority and the works, miracles, would prove that he is from God, like prophets before him.
The most interesting phrase is that the Father is LIVING in Jesus. Which would provide evidence for a part of God living in Jesus, thus an avatar.
Also, depending on what the Holy Spirit is, especially if it is God, it will dwell in believers. Thus making them Avatars of God. Therefore they are able to perform the miracles from God. Essentially they will act as God themselves. Certainly they rule with Christ, on Gods throne, in Revelation and as per Romans 8, therefore acting as God.
So, to clarify: I think there might be a miscommunication. So I don't subscribe to the Trinitarian view of what the bible says.
But these points:
The Father is the one speaking through him.
The Father is working in me.
The Father is the one performing the miracles.
This would prove the case that I am making that God (the Father) is dwelling in Jesus. Thus making Jesus an Avatar of God. The Avatar has his own personality but God dwells in him, and is directed by God to an extent. So then, when one refers to Jesus, they could be addressing the man as an individual or as part of God within him, which is why he is God and not God at the same time. Much like the angel in the bush is described as YHWH and an angel at the same time.
So the angels in the burning bush which spoke to Moses would be a good reference point to get an idea of where I am coming from.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Here is the obvious question: If Jesus is not God, or an Avatar of God (in the same way the angel in the burning bush was referred to as God, I am not saying it is terminology of the Bible, but it is used to describe a concept of the bible. Just as there is no term Bible in any of the books. Avatar might even be the wrong word I am using.) then why did God have to create everything through him? And, if God creates through something, does that not mean that he either has to control it, or his spirit has to work through it? Somehow God had to operate through Jesus in order for everything to be made by him.
Also I have no problem with Jesus being the firstborn of creation. An Avatar by its nature has to be created for the god to dwell in. And, if Jesus created all things, it would make sense that the Avatar was created first and then God indwelt it.
So if God made everything through Jesus then Jesus has to be either one of theses things:
1.A Manifestation
2.A Puppet
3.A Tool
4.A Suit
(maybe there are more options)
The very wording, that God made all things through him means that he could be an Avatar of God, otherwise he was not needed.
The heir aspect I have no problem with, since the avatar itself can act independently of God.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Jesus Christ and the Father can also dwell in a person
John 14:23 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
It does not mean possession
It does not mean being an avatar
It does not mean being a puppet
It does not mean transforming them into gods
It means the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father who is God will be with them 24/7
And will be blessed and kept from harm
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
No relevant verses
Unable to comment on this
2/6 dud
My bad.
God in the wilderness:
Genesis 3:8
New International Version
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
King James Bible
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
God manifesting to Abraham:
The whole of Genesis 18. It is when Abraham hosts the three men. Two are identified as angels. One is only identified as YHWH.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
It does not mean possession - Why not?
It does not mean being an avatar - The idea of an Avatar certainly fits those scriptures
It does not mean being a puppet - Refer to my other reply
It does not mean transforming them into gods - I never said that though. The idea is that God lives in them.
It means the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father who is God will be with them 24/7 - I agree. But there is no reason for me to think that the interpretation is limited to that conclusion.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Hebrews 1:1-6 New International Version (NIV)
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
If I understand you correctly then, Jesus is created, so God is not biologically his father. This would prove my point when I first brought it up, since Jesus doesn't qualify being a man in the traditional sense, which is what God is referring to when he says that he cannot be a man because men lie. So when referring to Jesus as a man, one cannot use that reference against him.
So then, he is worthy of worship because God has appointed him so? And what was Jesus before he he became human?
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Genesis 3:8 New International Version (NIV)
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
They hear the sound of someone walking but they did not see who was walking
Bummer! Because God is spirit.
With regards to Abraham
He met with the angels of God
No where are the men described as the Lord God
But lords
Genesis 18 New International Version (NIV)
The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord, do not pass your servant by. Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree. Let me get you something to eat, so you can be refreshed and then go on your way—now that you have come to your servant.”
“Very well,” they answered, “do as you say.”
So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah. “Quick,” he said, “get three seahs of the finest flour and knead it and bake some bread.”
Then he ran to the herd and selected a choice, tender calf and gave it to a servant, who hurried to prepare it. He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.
“Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him.
“There, in the tent,” he said.
Then one of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah your wife will have a son.”
Now Sarah was listening at the entrance to the tent, which was behind him. Abraham and Sarah were already very old, and Sarah was past the age of childbearing. So Sarah laughed to herself as she thought, “After I am worn out and my lord is old, will I now have this pleasure?”
Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Will I really have a child, now that I am old?’ Is anything too hard for the Lord? I will return to you at the appointed time next year, and Sarah will have a son.”
Sarah was afraid, so she lied and said, “I did not laugh.”
But he said, “Yes, you did laugh.”
When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just, so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him.”
Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord. Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”
The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?”
“If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”
Once again he spoke to him, “What if only forty are found there?”
He said, “For the sake of forty, I will not do it.”
Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?”
He answered, “I will not do it if I find thirty there.”
Abraham said, “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?”
He said, “For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it.”
Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
What you want is that God's offspring must be another God?
Is that what you are driving at?
But that would violate many things - the most important one is
Well it did not happen that way.
Jesus came to be based on the scriptures.
That is why Jesus kept on saying he is from God.
And he was SENT by God
John 5:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.
“I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Jesus Christ was about the LOGOS
the LOGOS is the Plan about Jesus Christ
the LOGOS is the Word
Logos Definition. Derived from a Greek word, Logos means “logic.” Logos is a literary device that can be described as a statement, sentence, or argument used to convince or persuade the targeted audience by employing reason or logic. In everyday life, arguments depend upon pathos and ethos besides logos.
Logos - Definition and Examples of Logos - Literary Devices
John 1
Moffatt(i) 1 THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine. 2 He was with God in the very beginning: 3 through him all existence came into being, no existence came into being apart from him. 4 In him life lay, and this life was the Light for men:
John 1 THE Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine.
13 who owe this birth of theirs to God, not to human blood, nor to any impulse of the flesh or of man. 14 So the Logos became flesh and tarried among us; we have seen his glory — glory such as an only son enjoys from his father — seen it to be full of grace and reality.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
I see your point. So then would you say that God is invisible but has a physical body that can walk even though you cannot see it?
Every time the bible uses LORD in the old testament, it is a replacement for Gods name YHWH. So everytime you see that, it is referring to God himself.
American Standard version - Genesis 18
And Jehovah appeared unto him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 and he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood over against him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself to the earth, 3 and said, My lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4 let now a little water be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5 and I will fetch a morsel of bread, and strengthen ye your heart; after that ye shall pass on: forasmuch as ye are come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes. 7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto the servant; and he hasted to dress it. 8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. 10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee when the season cometh round; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard in the tent door, which was behind him. 11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, and well stricken in age; it had ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. 12 And Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also? 13 And Jehovah said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, who am old? 14 Is anything too hard for Jehovah? At the set time I will return unto thee, when the season cometh round, and Sarah shall have a son. 15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
16 And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17 And Jehovah said, Shall I hide from Abraham that which I do; 18 seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19 For I have known him, to the end that he may command his children and his household after him, that they may keep the way of Jehovah, to do righteousness and justice; to the end that Jehovah may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20 And Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22 And the men turned from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before Jehovah. 23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou consume the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there are fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou consume and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked, that so the righteous should be as the wicked; that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And Jehovah said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sake. 27 And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, who am but dust and ashes: 28 peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, I will not destroy it, if I find there forty and five. 29 And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for the forty’s sake. 30 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31 And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the twenty’s sake. 32 And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for the ten’s sake. 33 And Jehovah went his way, as soon as he had left off communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Jesus Christ is a man, a very special man
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ is not God
Jesus Christ should be worshiped
not as God but as the Son of God
in obedience to God the Father
And this we can read in:
Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
That is the problem when you insert Jehovah.
It changes everything
Jehovah wikipedia
Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
Jehovah - Wikipedia
Since when did the apostles of Jesus Christ used Latin???
They understood and wrote in Hebrew and Koine Greek
Then you have the word as a Latinization of Hebrew and a Tetragrammaton
It has become a mumbo jumbo of a word
Like mixing peanut butter and jelly and mayonnaise with pineapple!
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Reminds me of Proverbs 8: the wisdom of God.
So according to Moffatt logic is actually a person. Much like Wisdom is considered a person in proverbs 8.
Logos = with God; Divine
Logos = the Word = Jesus (verse 14 - 18)
Therefore
Jesus = Logos = with God and Divine or God.
Also, logic stems from the mind, so if Jesus is the Logic of God then his mind originated from God. Therefore he is God then, if not physically but mentally.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
Jesus Christ is a man, a very special man
Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ is not God
Jesus Christ should be worshiped
not as God but as the Son of God
in obedience to God the Father
And this we can read in:
Philippians 2:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
This is circumstantial. But I do understand from what viewpoint you would come to that understanding. I would use Josephs relationship to Pharoah in the Old Testament as an example of this.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
John 20:25-29 New International Version (NIV)
So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
Thomas was surprised when he saw the risen Christ and inserted his fingers through his wounds.
Luke 24:36-43 New King James Version (NKJV)
Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, “Peace to you.” But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them, “Have you any food here?” So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence.
As I have shown you previously
God is spirit
Jesus is not a spirit
Jesus has flesh and bones
Jesus even ate in the apostles presence
These proves Jesus is not God
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
That is the problem when you insert Jehovah.
It changes everything
Jehovah wikipedia
Jehovah (/dʒɪˈhoʊvə/) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible and one of the seven names of God in Judaism.
Jehovah - Wikipedia
Since when did the apostles of Jesus Christ used Latin???
They understood and wrote in Hebrew and Koine Greek
Then you have the word as a Latinization of Hebrew and a Tetragrammaton
It has become a mumbo jumbo of a word
Like mixing peanut butter and jelly and mayonnaise with pineapple!
That isn't the point. Whether the LORD, Jehovah or Yahweh is inserted, they are still representative (substitutes) of the divine name. Which means that those verses are referring to God himself.
Also, Jehovah is a transliteration. Other names that use the divine name as their basis are pronounced based on that. So when we say Jesus, we are using Jehovah as the basis, not YHWH. In the Greek the Christs name is actually Iesous. So if you have a problem with using Jehovah, then you shouldn't use the latinized names of the people in the New Testament.