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What we can experience only from deepening our trust

Mark Dohle

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What we can experience only from deepening our trust

“But My close friends, why, why don’t they call louder to Me from their heart’s depths?If only their belief were less like unbelief!If their hope were fixed upon My help . . . And if, in all simplicity their love loved Me more. I should be there looking after everything in their day, and when night fell, their eyes would close again on My face.

Bossis, Gabrielle. He and I (Kindle Locations 2260-2262).
Pauline Books and Media. Kindle Edition.

It is interesting for any writer I guess, to have someone read something that they wrote, and the reader interpreting it ways that are unintended. I know that I do it with essays that I read from other writers, so I as well will often misunderstand their real intention. I have also learned that when I read from another author, in some way, their writing becomes mine, for I take it in, ponder it, agree or disagree, and then place it aside. Yet all writing, like all speech is, in reality, a seed that is planted in the heart of the reader, or the hearer and the effects on the unconscious are deeper than understood by many.

When I write about grace, the love of God, and my own experiences with my own struggles, failures, as well as deep healings, I can actually be attacked over what I have written. Sometimes the input given me about something I posted, even if strong, is spot on, but often it is based on the readers having to read whatever I write from the store of their own experiences, beliefs, as well as their misunderstanding of what my faith is to me, or even for that matter what it is all about. I know this to be true, because I do it, often unconsciously, when I read, or listen to someone else.

Sometimes I do wonder how strong my faith is. However, I have learned that in trusting God, and taking the next step, I do experience a deep movement in my soul that comes from ‘without’. Or should I say from something so deep, deeper than my own personal unconscious, that I sense a loving presence working with me, and for me, but in secret so to speak. This can’t be explained, but only experienced.

What does it mean to cry to God for help? Well, I believe that what it entails is to simply embrace the ‘moment’, no matter how bad, and make a conscious choice to root myself in the reality of the Lord who dwells in the ‘Tabernacle of my Heart’. I both fear, and so long for the love of God, and sometimes I do get a small taste, but only a small one. It is all I can handle.

In this world, we are called, or I am called, to love God with all my heart, and my neighbor as myself. This takes a bigger heart than I have. Yet the purely human heart of Jesus Christ encompasses all of humanity without distinction. So slowly I see that my heart is being transformed by God’s loving touch to my wounded, often skittish soul. So I love more deeply, hopefully, every day by allowing my heart, to be absorbed by the truly human heart of Jesus Christ. The more I grow into this reality, the more I understand how unloving I can be. When I fail to react or deal with a situation in a loving manner, I sense it more deeply. It does not lead me to despair, but to a deeper trust in God’s love for me. Which is one of the hardest parts of my faith to believe.

So I pray for my longing for God to deepen, but that can’t happen if my love for others does not. I want my thirst for God, to equal God’s thirst for each of us. That has a powerful effect on how I pray, and what I pray for. I do believe that Christians are here to show to the world the love of God, called ‘Agape’. Without deep prayer, and loving trust in God, along with a profound understanding of our own need for mercy, that is probably impossible. It is easier for me to judge others than to look into my own heart.—Br.MD
 

Neutral Name

Active Member


What we can experience only from deepening our trust

“But My close friends, why, why don’t they call louder to Me from their heart’s depths?If only their belief were less like unbelief!If their hope were fixed upon My help . . . And if, in all simplicity their love loved Me more. I should be there looking after everything in their day, and when night fell, their eyes would close again on My face.

Bossis, Gabrielle. He and I (Kindle Locations 2260-2262).
Pauline Books and Media. Kindle Edition.

It is interesting for any writer I guess, to have someone read something that they wrote, and the reader interpreting it ways that are unintended. I know that I do it with essays that I read from other writers, so I as well will often misunderstand their real intention. I have also learned that when I read from another author, in some way, their writing becomes mine, for I take it in, ponder it, agree or disagree, and then place it aside. Yet all writing, like all speech is, in reality, a seed that is planted in the heart of the reader, or the hearer and the effects on the unconscious are deeper than understood by many.

When I write about grace, the love of God, and my own experiences with my own struggles, failures, as well as deep healings, I can actually be attacked over what I have written. Sometimes the input given me about something I posted, even if strong, is spot on, but often it is based on the readers having to read whatever I write from the store of their own experiences, beliefs, as well as their misunderstanding of what my faith is to me, or even for that matter what it is all about. I know this to be true, because I do it, often unconsciously, when I read, or listen to someone else.

Sometimes I do wonder how strong my faith is. However, I have learned that in trusting God, and taking the next step, I do experience a deep movement in my soul that comes from ‘without’. Or should I say from something so deep, deeper than my own personal unconscious, that I sense a loving presence working with me, and for me, but in secret so to speak. This can’t be explained, but only experienced.

What does it mean to cry to God for help? Well, I believe that what it entails is to simply embrace the ‘moment’, no matter how bad, and make a conscious choice to root myself in the reality of the Lord who dwells in the ‘Tabernacle of my Heart’. I both fear, and so long for the love of God, and sometimes I do get a small taste, but only a small one. It is all I can handle.

In this world, we are called, or I am called, to love God with all my heart, and my neighbor as myself. This takes a bigger heart than I have. Yet the purely human heart of Jesus Christ encompasses all of humanity without distinction. So slowly I see that my heart is being transformed by God’s loving touch to my wounded, often skittish soul. So I love more deeply, hopefully, every day by allowing my heart, to be absorbed by the truly human heart of Jesus Christ. The more I grow into this reality, the more I understand how unloving I can be. When I fail to react or deal with a situation in a loving manner, I sense it more deeply. It does not lead me to despair, but to a deeper trust in God’s love for me. Which is one of the hardest parts of my faith to believe.

So I pray for my longing for God to deepen, but that can’t happen if my love for others does not. I want my thirst for God, to equal God’s thirst for each of us. That has a powerful effect on how I pray, and what I pray for. I do believe that Christians are here to show to the world the love of God, called ‘Agape’. Without deep prayer, and loving trust in God, along with a profound understanding of our own need for mercy, that is probably impossible. It is easier for me to judge others than to look into my own heart.—Br.MD


Can I just say that I love you. You are a true Christian and a true God believer. I thank God for people like you, If everyone was like you, the world would be the beautiful place God intended it to be.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Can I just say that I love you. You are a true Christian and a true God believer. I thank God for people like you, If everyone was like you, the world would be the beautiful place God intended it to be.
Do you mean they ("true Christians") wouldn't be killing each other or others in war?
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Do you mean they ("true Christians") wouldn't be killing each other or others in war?
Can I just say that I love you. You are a true Christian and a true God believer. I thank God for people like you, If everyone was like you, the world would be the beautiful place God intended it to be.
The only way we can bring Christ into the world, is to open up our hearts. It is a difficult journey with many failures.

Thank you for you kind words, let us pray for one antoher my friend.

peace
Mark
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Do you mean they ("true Christians") wouldn't be killing each other or others in war?
It is useless to look at large groups of people and make judgmments, since in any group there are different levels of understanding and of living out the message. We all fail, however, but that says nothing about the reality of Jesus Christ, or the power of his grace.......it is our interior freedom that blocks grace and healing.

Peace
Mark
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It is useless to look at large groups of people and make judgmments, since in any group there are different levels of understanding and of living out the message. We all fail, however, but that says nothing about the reality of Jesus Christ, or the power of his grace.......it is our interior freedom that blocks grace and healing.

Peace
Mark
So as you look at what you believe is the reality of Christ, would you say that he recommended to his followers they can kill each other in war if the country's leader tells them to? Would you say that's how they apply the "Golden Rule," and love each other?
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
So as you look at what you believe is the reality of Christ, would you say that he recommended to his followers they can kill each other in war if the country's leader tells them to? Would you say that's how they apply the "Golden Rule," and love each other?
Of course not. Those who do folllow Christ more deeply do not get much attention ;-).

Peace
Mark
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Of course not. Those who do folllow Christ more deeply do not get much attention ;-).

Peace
Mark
Thank you for your declaration of peace. As far as following Christ more deeply, and thus, as you imply, would not kill or harm someone deliberately by command of another, I would say the churches and other religions for the most part are not teaching to their constituents that type of love as taught by Christ to his disciples.
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Thank you for your declaration of peace. As far as following Christ more deeply, and thus, as you imply, would not kill or harm someone deliberately by command of another, I would say the churches and other religions for the most part are not teaching to their constituents that type of love as taught by Christ to his disciples.
There is always an inner sturggle to live out what our faith teaches. As well as a willingness to began again when there is failure. Humility is all about being able to accept the truth about oneself, yet still taking the next step.

Peace
Mark
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
There is always an inner sturggle to live out what our faith teaches. As well as a willingness to began again when there is failure. Humility is all about being able to accept the truth about oneself, yet still taking the next step.

Peace
Mark
There are surely many wonderful things to learn from a study of the Bible. And yes, it is an ongoing journey within ourselves and our relationship with the Creator.
 

Rakovsky

Active Member
There is always an inner sturggle to live out what our faith teaches. As well as a willingness to began again when there is failure. Humility is all about being able to accept the truth about oneself, yet still taking the next step.
Sure. You are making a good point about the inner struggle, since some people might expect everything about it to be simple. Kierkergard's idea was that it was wrong not to recognize people's inner double-mindedness in themselves, such as their weak will toward some things, but that the double-mindedness itself was not evil. I wrote about this topic on another thread and invite you to have a look:
Is double-mindedness or wavering "an earthly spirit, from the devil" as The Shepherd of Hermas says?
 

Mark Dohle

Well-Known Member
Sure. You are making a good point about the inner struggle, since some people might expect everything about it to be simple. Kierkergard's idea was that it was wrong not to recognize people's inner double-mindedness in themselves, such as their weak will toward some things, but that the double-mindedness itself was not evil. I wrote about this topic on another thread and invite you to have a look:
Is double-mindedness or wavering "an earthly spirit, from the devil" as The Shepherd of Hermas says?
Thank you, will read it.
Peace
Mark
 
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