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God and Evolution

Vaziri

Islamic Philosopher
Is a man the result of evolution from a primate ? They have much in common, but they have many differences as well.

Science once told us that Neanderthals weren´t human, but, of course they were.

I don´t believe your ancestors were baboons, but it is a good bet some were Neanderthalś.

You will have to decide what makes a human, and explain why, if modern people came from primates, none of the alleged line of intermediary forms no longer exist.

Wolves exist, dogs exist, coyoteś exist, dingoś exist, and they can all interbreed and produce offspring.

If you were so inclined, which primate species is there that you could mate with and have offspring ?
Obviously I didn't mean we came from a species of monkey that is still on earth. It would have been an ancient ancestor that evolved..
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Things like how genesis is about the big bang is a force
fit...........
I never thought of the BB as a force fit but it definitely was a powerful force.
When God sends forth His spirit things (like BB) are created - Psalms 104:30
Thus, God spirit is an impersonal force like a power plant's power grid emits a force an energy to accomplish something.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
It depends little on what is meant with evolution. If it means all species have evolved from single species, I don’t believe it, because if it would be true, it could be seen in nature easily. We don’t see it in nature, therefore I don’t believe it.
I see this far too often, and it always, always involves the person who thinks so leaving out something rather important about evolution --- time, and lots and lots and lots of generations! If you had physically lived for a million years or so, you yourself could have seen evolution happen in nature.

And the fact is, that for very short lived species, we are observing evolution happening now, before our very eyes. As we used antibiotics and other medicines to cure a variety of diseases, those diseases have developed resistance to those antibiotics. So now, for example, because we used methicillin, we have MRSA, something that did not exist before we discovered methicillin.
 

Vaziri

Islamic Philosopher
What basis do you believe this? Every year or so, Gallup does a poll on the beliefs of people, and a majority of people believe in God AND evolution.
I've never taken that poll. No one from a poll has ever asked what I believe.. lol
 

ecco

Veteran Member
As I said, Perhaps you still believe in a flat earth.
Deflection...
Avoiding my comment is not deflection?

Nevertheless...

Even when they're wrong?

The beauty of science is that it is self-correcting. At one time the general consensus was that the universe was static. Then, as our tools got better, some proposed that the universe was expanding. There were long debates about it. There was extensive research. You know the results.

The beauty of science, unlike religion, is that it is not afraid to be self-correcting. Scientific research now is pretty much in agreement that Exodus never happened. Religion refuses to accept that.
 
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shmogie

Well-Known Member
Fundamentalism of every sort draws its strength from the lowest
rungs of society.
Wow, what a nasty post. What are we who come from the lowest rungs of society ?

Low IQ, I think not.

Street people, I think not.

Who has given you the arrogant authority to define who the ¨lowest rungs of society¨ are ?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Most accept it from two sentences and then never question it.

That's your idea, your thinking. You believe yourself more capable and more knowledgeable than God.
No I don't, actually, because as far as I know, there is no God. So you just made up something about me and posted it which is not true. That's not nice.
 

Wasp

Active Member
In Scripture I find Adam was the first man - Genesis 2:7,19.
In other words, what we can learn from the Bible is that Adam was the first man.- Luke 3:38 B.
I don't believe in the bible. Neanderthals were equally intelligent with homo sapiens. In which case they will be judged too, no? So they'd be people. Was Adam a neanderthal?
 

Wasp

Active Member
At one time the general consensus was that the universe was static. Then, as our tools got better, some proposed that the universe was expanding. There were long debates about it. There was extensive research. You know the results.
The Qur'an said the universe is expanding 1400 years ago.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Monkeys are still here, why not that ancient ancestor ?
Species evolve over time. Even "living fossils" are usually different from their ancestors and could almost certainly not breed with them. The creationist favorite example is that of the Coelacanth, but that is not even a species, or genus, or even a family. Coelacanth is an entire order of fish. The coelacanth found today, though related, is definitely different from the various species that existed when it lived in shallow seas:

Coelacanth - Wikipedia

The monkeys that we evolved from (and the ancestor that we did share with monkeys would almost certainly be classified as a "monkey" today) underwent countless speciation events.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Is a man the result of evolution from a primate ? They have much in common, but they have many differences as well.

That is how evolution works.

Science once told us that Neanderthals weren´t human, but, of course they were.

I don´t believe your ancestors were baboons, but it is a good bet some were Neanderthalś.

Neanderthals are only a part of the continuous spectrum of evolution that makes us human. By the evidence baboons and humans have common ancestors demonstrated in the fossil record,

You will have to decide what makes a human, and explain why, if modern people came from primates, none of the alleged line of intermediary forms no longer exist.

Intermediaries do exist, and the fossil evidence and the intermediate species are increasing number every years. In 1960 all the fossils of our ancestors would fit in a card board box, and now the fill several museums.

Wolves exist, dogs exist, coyoteś exist, dingoś exist, and they can all interbreed and produce offspring.

True, they represent a diversity of species and sub-species that can be demonstrated as evolving from common ancestors.

If you were so inclined, which primate species is there that you could mate with and have offspring ?

I am not sure what your asking our ancestors are in the fossil record, though genetics indicate that our near relative ancestors evolved through sub-species that could interbred.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
The Qur'an said the universe is expanding 1400 years ago.

A number of Creation stories describe similar origins. The Hindu creation stories describe a multiverse synario with a cyclic universe beginning, expanding and dieing to be reborn. The description in Genesis as beginning 'let there be light' could be easily interpreted as a Big Bang synario.
 
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