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How would you describe what happened to Noah's people?

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
God saw that the people were sinful and unrepentant, even after many warnings. Then he drowned them save for Noah and his family. He also saved two of every kind of animal.

Saved two of every kind does sound better than killed almost every lifeform on the planet, it's true.

Why did he save two of every kind though?
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
How would you describe what happened to Noah's people?
They drowned. All life on earth save for those Noah took aboard the ark drowned.
dinosaurs-noahs-ark-oh-crap-today.jpg
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
Saved two of every kind does sound better than killed almost every lifeform on the planet, it's true.

Why did he save two of every kind though?
One male and one female, for procreation and re~population of the species.

You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of each animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of the earth (Genesis 7:2,3).

Of clean beasts, of beasts that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God has commanded Noah (Genesis 7:9,10).

Summary

Two of each animal entered the ark along with seven of each clean animal. The clean animals entered for purpose of sacrifice and for food for Noah and his family.
Blue Letter Bible
Don Stewart :: How Many of Each Animal Entered the Ark?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You can also refer to the particular version you are speaking of.

What I am asking is your view of the flood, not the details. What was it? Why did it happen? Did they deserve it?


In the story a god became the first and biggest commiter of genocid in all of human history. Despots have tried to live up to his example and failed miserably.

But in real life, its just a story, the intention was to promote the power of "believe in my god - or else" the actual result was to produce a story of the worlds first mass murderer
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
You ever been to Iraq?

This made me laugh.

How Long Did the Flood Last? | Noah's Ark: Beyond Flannelgraph

The Arkflood/how-long-did-the-flood-last

I believe when the flood ended Noah was 601 years and 6 days old, so the flood lasted one year. Somewhere around that time table. Of course, they calculated “time” differently back then, they actually counted backwards, in BCE … and then became Common or Christine Era counting time AD 1,2,3,4.

Counted backwards?? ROFLMAO
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
One male and one female, for procreation and re~population of the species.

You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two of each animals that are unclean, a male and his female; also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of the earth (Genesis 7:2,3).

Of clean beasts, of beasts that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth, two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God has commanded Noah (Genesis 7:9,10).

Summary

Two of each animal entered the ark along with seven of each clean animal. The clean animals entered for purpose of sacrifice and for food for Noah and his family.
Blue Letter Bible
Don Stewart :: How Many of Each Animal Entered the Ark?

So where 2 animals were taken, neither were infertile, I guess?
And their kids procreated with their kids?
And those kids didn't have genetic issues, and then....well...you see what I mean, I think...
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I believe what the Bible tells.

Reason was:
The earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen. 6:11

And the flood covered all former dry land:
The flood was forty days on the earth. The waters increased, and lifted up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.
Gen. 7:17
Are you a disciple of Jesus?

Did they deserve it? I would say, evil people who are violent and make life suffering for all, don’t deserve to live. And unfortunately, world seems to go to that same direction nowadays and I believe the result will be similar.

So all the animals had to die? Apart from a couple of each species?
Because God just had to use drowning as the means of destruction? He couldn't just do what Thanos did in End Game?
 

Vaziri

Islamic Philosopher
You can also refer to the particular version you are speaking of.

What I am asking is your view of the flood, not the details. What was it? Why did it happen? Did they deserve it?

The ark symbolizes higher consciousness meditation. Through history we enter periods where materialism and physicality is worshipped. The ark is to build a mental foundation to experience unity and a higher state. The two animals represent the duality of existence that has to be acknowledged.
 

SugarOcean

¡pɹᴉǝM ʎɐʇS
So where 2 animals were taken, neither were infertile, I guess?
And their kids procreated with their kids?
And those kids didn't have genetic issues, and then....well...you see what I mean, I think...
Oh, I get what you're about, yes.

https://biologos.org/articles/did-modern-animals-evolve-from-the-inhabitants-of-the-ark

The epic of Gilgamesh preceded the Ark story. Mostly if people are literalists reading scripture they can get themselves painted in a corner.

How about a question concerning science oriented atheism and diversity.
"If we all evolved from some single-celled organism that spontaneously developed from some 'primordial soup', where did we get the genetic material for all forms of life on earth today?"
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Oh, I get what you're about, yes.

https://biologos.org/articles/did-modern-animals-evolve-from-the-inhabitants-of-the-ark

The epic of Gilgamesh preceded the Ark story. Mostly if people are literalists reading scripture they can get themselves painted in a corner.

How about a question concerning science oriented atheism and diversity.
"If we all evolved from some single-celled organism that spontaneously developed from some 'primordial soup', where did we get the genetic material for all forms of life on earth today?"

If you're not a literalist, I have no issues with you.
Belief in and of itself doesn't concern me.

Not quite sure if I'm understanding your position yet though. From the article you linked...

If there were only 1400 or fewer “kinds” on the Ark, as claimed on the Ark Encounter, and today there are more than 34,000 land-animal species and countless additional extinct species, is there evidence for this sudden appearance of thousands of new species over just hundreds of years? Absolutely none. Scientists and natural philosophers in the 17th and 18th centuries (long before Darwin) did not document new species forming before their eyes, nor have the tens of thousands of species they described changed into new species since then.

Importantly, the Bible also paints a picture of species living thousands of years ago that display characteristics that we observe today. Old Testament passages refer to foxes in Israel and describe their behavior in ways that are strikingly similar to the red fox species that live there today (see Song of Songs 2:15; Ezekiel 13:4; Matthew 8:20). Wolves and domestic dogs are also referred to in the Bible and ancient Near-Eastern literature in terms familiar enough to identify them. And this is only a sampling of the familiar animals mentioned by the Bible whose descriptions correspond well with modern species. This is a strong biblical testimony to the consistency of species boundaries over long periods of time.

So this seems to suggest that there couldn't have only been a small set of animals, with 2 representing each kind. So if you believe in a world wide flood, and the ark...my question stands.
If not, fair enough, as I said, I have no issue if you see it as parable or similar.

Now, to your question...
'If we all evolved from some single-cell organism...where did we get the genetic material for all forms of life on earth today?'

Meh, I dunno. That's why I'm an atheist. :)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
So where 2 animals were taken, neither were infertile, I guess?
And their kids procreated with their kids?
And those kids didn't have genetic issues, and then....well...you see what I mean, I think...


The animals in twos are a kids fairy story, according to the bible twos were only for non edible animals, edible ones (clean beasts) went in in that wonderfully even number of seven.

Even so, such a small sample of eating animals will ensure generic problems
 

1213

Well-Known Member
The people just vanished. The environment...and animals...were unaffected. And there was no terror or pain involved.

I have heard that drowning is the most pleasant way to die. Also, according to the scriptures, all flesh on dry land was corrupted and was therefore killed, not only humans.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So where 2 animals were taken, neither were infertile, I guess?
And their kids procreated with their kids?
And those kids didn't have genetic issues, and then....well...you see what I mean, I think...
Not just the kids the animals too.

Which means everybody is a redneck, which incidentally explains a lot today. *Grin*
 
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