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Why Jesus Will Never Return and How the Bible Refutes Itself

sooda

Veteran Member
Correct. The same as you denying the book of Daniel being written by Daniel the prophet spoken of by Jesus

The Jews wrote Daniel to encourage the Jews during the Maccabean Revolt.. long before Jesus was born.

Daniel was NEVER in Babylon. He's not considered a prophet in Judaism.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
The Jews wrote Daniel to encourage the Jews during the Maccabean Revolt.. long before Jesus was born.
Daniel was NEVER in Babylon. He's not considered a prophet in Judaism.

Do you even know the scriptures? Who says Daniel was born in Babylon? I suggest you start by reading Daniel 1:1-7. Also, if Daniel is not true why is he mentioned all through the other books of the bible?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
LOLOL.. I didn't say Daniel was born in Babylon.
Pehaps you might like to explain if Daniel is not true and was never in Babylon why is he mentioned all through the other books of the bible including in the very words of Jesus?
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
So did you want to have a discussion? Your only repeating yourself now without responding to my earlier posts which addresses this post and all of your OP. You have no response do you. Does this not worry you? It should. It is you my friend that has lost the debate already even before you started because you try to use God's Word in order to deny God who we must all stand before come judgment day. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

I am repeating myself because you never answered this question, which I will ask directly: If the verses were referring to a future generation, why does Jesus use "YOU" when speaking directly to his disciples rather than "THEM" if it was a reference to a future generation? You never gave a reasonable explanation for why this would be the case. And, by the way, verse 24 could have said that generation rather than this generation as well. To say the least, it is grasping at straws to try to twist the verses to make them sound as if they are a reference to events prophesied to occur far into the future.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Pehaps you might like to explain if Daniel is not true and was never in Babylon why is he mentioned all through the other books of the bible including in the very words of Jesus?

That is a very good question..

Why do Christians make Daniel a prophet when the Jewish ...
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120617143028AAz6vao
Jun 17, 2012 · Why do Christians make Daniel a prophet when the Jewish faith only denotes the book as a Writing? The Jewish faith has a list of 55 prophets, of which Daniel is not listed and most scholars believe that the book was not written until 164 b.c. and was written by several authors, so why do Christians make Daniel a prophet?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I am repeating myself because you never answered this question, which I will ask directly: If the verses were referring to a future generation, why does Jesus use "YOU" when speaking directly to his disciples rather than "THEM" if it was a reference to a future generation? You never gave a reasonable explanation for why this would be the case. And, by the way, verse 24 could have said that generation rather than this generation as well. To say the least, it is grasping at straws to try to twist the verses to make them sound as if they are a reference to events prophesied to occur far into the future.
No your not. Everything you have posted has been addressed with a detailed scripture response. Your repeating yourself because you do not wish to address the posts and the scrptures provided to you that address your posts and your OP. You do not have to if you do not wish to just say so. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. As discussed earlier "YOU" is in the present tense to whoever is reading at any given point in time. If your interpretation that these scriptures were only written for the disciples than 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 corinthians 10:11 makes no sense. You do not that everything Jesus taught the disciples the disciples were commissioned to teach to the world right? You do indeed err not knowing the scriptures and try to use scripture to teach there is no God. Would not like to be in your shoes come judgment day.
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
That is a very good question..

Why do Christians make Daniel a prophet when the Jewish ...
Why do Christians make Daniel a prophet when the Jewish faith only denotes the book as a Writing?
Jun 17, 2012 · Why do Christians make Daniel a prophet when the Jewish faith only denotes the book as a Writing? The Jewish faith has a list of 55 prophets, of which Daniel is not listed and most scholars believe that the book was not written until 164 b.c. and was written by several authors, so why do Christians make Daniel a prophet?

I see, so as a response in directly asking you a direct question your proof is some unknown blog of people opinions? Just as I thought you have no proof have you for your claims do you..
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
I see you as a response in directly asking you a question your prove is some unknown blog of people opinions? Just as I thought you have no proof have you for your claims do you..

Its a place for you to start if you are actually interested.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I see you as a response in directly asking you a question your prove is some unknown blog of people opinions? Just as I thought you have no proof have you for your claims do you..

Is The “Daniel” of Ezekiel 28 The Same Person As The Book ...
Is The “Daniel” of Ezekiel 28 The Same Person As The Book of Daniel?
Oct 05, 2017 · Thus, there may be a connection between Ezekiel’s Danel and the Danel of the Aqhat text from Ugarit (2nd millennium B.C.), an esteemed judge who protected the rights of widows and orphans. The connection is more plausible when one considers that Ezekiel alludes to Daniel in an oracle against Tyre (Ezek. 28), for the cultures of Ugarit and Tyre were both Canaanite (emp. mine).
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
No your not. Everything you have posted has been addressed with a detailed scripture response. Your repeating yourself because you do not wish to address the posts and the scrptures provided to you that address your posts and your OP. You do not have to if you do not wish to just say so. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. As discussed earlier "YOU" is in the present tense to whoever is reading at any given point in time. If your interpretation that these scriptures were only written for the disciples than 2 Timothy 3:16; 1 corinthians 10:11 makes no sense. You do not that everything Jesus taught the disciples the disciples were commissioned to teach to the world right? You do indeed err not knowing the scriptures and try to use scripture to teach there is no God. Would not like to be in your shoes come judgment day.

Except he was directly speaking to the disciples. Using your logic, when he tells Peter "you will deny me three times", he is actually not talking to Peter, but instead to the reading audience 2000 yrs later. You are grasping at straws and it isn't working.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Except he was directly speaking to the disciples. Using your logic, when he tells Peter "you will deny me three times", he is actually not talking to Peter, but instead to the reading audience 2000 yrs later. You are grasping at straws and it isn't working.
Not at all. Yes he was speaking directly to the disciples. The disciples commission was to take the words of Jesus to the world, hence the four gospels and the words of Jesus and the bible being for all Christians. Your point here is? Your strawman is falling apart now isn't it. Does this no concern you? It should.
 
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sooda

Veteran Member
That is suppose to help your position how? All you have provided is somones opinion over another. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. The teachings of men will lead you away from the Word of God.

It pretty clear that they have been fiddling with "God's word" for 3500 years.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
It pretty clear that they have been fiddling with "God's word" for 3500 years.
I guess so if you follow the forum or the opinions of men over the word of God. I do not believe this. I believe only God's Word is true an\d we should believe and follow it *Romand 3:4. Following the teachings and traditions of men over the word of God will only lead you away from God.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
I guess so if you follow the forum or the opinions of men over the word of God. I do not believe this. I believe only God's Word is true an\d we should believe and follow it *Romand 3:4. Following the teachings and traditions of men over the word of God will only lead you away from God.

Paul wrote Romans NOT God.
 
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