Cooky
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Yes we do need it, and I'd be happy to pay for it with my tax dollars.
...I would also pay for 24 hr. DMV service to reduce wait times.
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Yes we do need it, and I'd be happy to pay for it with my tax dollars.
...I would also pay for 24 hr. DMV service to reduce wait times.
I wonder what government would be like if those
employed by it were service oriented, instead of
just resenting the jobs they deign to show up for?
Cooky
Veteran Member
It's that bloc mindset... Bloc heads.
I should be inured to it by now, but I still get annoyed dealing with
government. To often it seems their goal is to either avoid their job
or retaliate against the schlub under their thumb. Oh, the stories....
Cooky
Veteran Member
We're just their subjects. Mere peasants and common people.
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And we'd better know our place.
A local guy once made some unflattering comment about the cops.
They found he had some unpaid parking tickets, tracked him down
(not standard procedure to collect a few bucks), & towed his car.
That'll learn'm to keep his mouth shut, eh.
Cooky
Veteran Member
The us vs. them mentality in government is like gang mentality. Thuggery.
I actually had a police officer tell me in another forum that when on duty, he is "at war"... That's how he viewed American citizens... As the enemy.
I've heard similar commentary.
While from a small minority, it reflects upon them all.
A small percentage are bad guys.
A larger percentage look the other way.
And a majority become suspect as a result.
That statement that doesn’t give clarity or add much. Just like saying if only the non-police would behave better then we wouldn’t see so much police misconduct.
People are ungrateful in general. Even if the police were angels, some would still be ungrateful of them.
Do you think he felt “at war” with everyone or just the criminals?
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Agreed about bad apples, but tarring every police officer because of a bad apple is wrong. It's the same thing the anti-gun LWers do to millions of lawful gun owners every time a nutjob kills a few people.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Well, one difference is that policing is a service that you and I pay for. We should have every right to criticize the department and to express disappointment with their work performance.
Gun owners are fellow citizens, and not paid employees.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Agreed. The overall best solution IMO are 24/7 bodycams. Whenever police are wearing bodycams everyone is more polite. They are not a panacea, as the second link notes, but they do have a good purpose.
Will the widespread use of body cameras improve police accountability? Yes
The point should be clear: people behave differently when they know they are being watched, and police are no exception. Officers wearing body cameras will be less aggressive and more respectful when they interact with members of the community. They will also be more reluctant to use force unless it is necessary to protect themselves and the public. While body-worn police cameras may not be a panacea, they will not only lead to a reduction in the use of unnecessary or excessive force by police officers, but will also be beneficial for both the police and the community.
https://www.policefoundation.org/body-cameras-work-just-not-in-the-way-you-think/
Body cameras have been sold as a silver-bullet solution, a newfangled quick fix to cure policing of its public trust deficit. Instead, police behavior will continue to be shaped most by recruitment, selection, and training of police departments. But the footage gathered from body cameras may yet prove a valuable tool for understanding where training fails and where recruitment and selection can be improved. Body cameras can be useful as diagnostic rather than prescription: they can show us where ingrained police behavior has gone awry. All the better that they produce public video that police forces and critics alike can observe and interrogate.
Body-Worn Cameras: What the Evidence Tells Us
In 1829, Sir Robert Peel — regarded by many as the father of modern policing — developed what came to be known as the Nine Principles of Law Enforcement, which were given to British law enforcement officers as general instructions. Peel’s second principle stated, “The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police existence, actions, behavior and the ability of the police to secure and maintain public respect.”[1]
Nearly 200 years later, Peel’s principle still holds true: The ability of law enforcement to fight crime effectively continues to depend on the public’s perception of the legitimacy of the actions of officers.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Agreed, but that's not what I was talking about.
We're all American citizens and no one is above the law.
Curious George
Veteran Member
No, the comment does provide clarity. Your exception to my original statement was essentially that we would still see some ingratitude. So, I rephrased my sentence to make my point clear over your technical objection.
Here is how the dialogue went:
Me- if police would better police themselves we wouldn't have this ingratitude.
You: some people will show ingratitude no matter what.
Me- ok, we would see less ingratitude then (which is what I originally meant, but was not clear about)
You- that clears up nothing.
Me- uh, no that clears up your objection.
Cheers
Curious George
Veteran Member
Yes, yes, and it is equally wrong to tar every member of the Hells Angels as a bad apple.
The problem is police corruption abounds, police intimidation exists and the blue wall of silence stands.
Police will need to take a more proactive role in changing police culture before their image is restored. I have known some amazing officers, i have also known some awful ones. While I do not agree with sweeping generalizations about police, I understand the rationale behind them.
Police officers are not just individuals. They are a part of an organization entrusted with authority. When individual officers fail that trust, it is no different than individual priests failing the trust of church community. When police hierarchy and unions try to cover up poor police behavior and training it is no different than the church covering up for wayward priests. Now not every officer is bad just as not every priest is bad, but let us not pretend that the bad apples are not a problem for the entire organization.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
While I'm sure you are correct about New York, Chicago, LA and other Left Wing bastions, I strongly doubt all 750,000+ LEOs in the US are as corrupt and evil as you imply.
Curious George
Veteran Member
I am sorry you think that i am implying all or even the majority of LEOs are corrupt.
Let me be clear in my assertions:
There are a substantial number of corrupt LEOs;
There are even more who turn a blind eye to corryption;
There are even more who are merely inadequately trained;
And, all will have to deal with the ramifications of this.
LiveBetterLife
Active Member
Are you kidding?
Curious George
Veteran Member
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