The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I wouldn't be able to shake hands with one. I would shake hands with a gay person or transgender person or a straight person. But I don't think I could bring myself to shake hands with a bisexual
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Amazon Has Banned Conversion Therapy Books; Will the Bible Be Next?
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Skwim
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https://www.amazon.com/s?k=gay+conversion+therapy&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Took a look at your Amazon page, but couldn't identify any book that promoted conversion therapy. Which publications do you have in mind?i
His DVD, "A true Friend," has been deleted, as has the DVD in which he appeared, "Tranzformed: Finding Peace With Your God Given Gender"
Oh, I think they get it all too well, which is why they've pulled conversion therapy publications.
Then obviously you feel Christian book stores have an obligation to sell books promoting Satanism. How about Amazon carrying books promoting man-boy love? Think they should?
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Cooky
Veteran Member
That's a good question. A better question is, who would publish such a book -I mean, what print-shop would accept the contract?
Why???
And that is why no one runs around going "i am bisexual the wifes gone wanna come on over and watch a football game". HELL NO.
My open gay friends all day long no problem.
Road Warrior
Seeking the middle path..
Misleading = lie. Sad but agreed.
SugarOcean
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Certain of the books at the link. And then one can keyword search , gay conversion therapy, in Amazon's search bar after clicking any of the links on the left of that first linked page in my post.
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That was fast. It was available for sale when I posted the link. Now it is listed as unavailable.
Amazon.com: a true friend Joseph Nicolosi
Maybe those contacts with Amazon that I mentioned would likely happen, did.
I don't think we can presume that. In fact, we can't discount that Amazon was harassed by LGBTQ persons in order to insure this did happen. Removal of the books from Amazon.
No rational person would ever claim that. Nor have I ever stated that.
It's your mind that jumped to that sexual disorientation. That's all you buddy.
You're going a little off the rails in this one huh?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
(pssst..we are joking around. don't tell anyone)
Yeah, there is a slippery slope and a 1st Amendment violation.
Look, I just don't know where people find it acceptable that corporate oligarchs get to become the thought police. I might think that guy is completely idiotic, but I still think he has a right to say whatever stupid things he thinks. Not that I'm defending him on his material (I think it's ridiculous), but I also realize that many great ideas seemed stupid at first to the unwashed masses and where would we be if it were not for the ability to test those ideas versus the measure of common sense over time? This censorship thing rebooted in the 80's and it's still as much **** then as it is now. Besides, ultimately, it backfires: The Streisand Effect engages because you've banned the book -- now millions of folks that didn't give a single **** about it are lusting over this taboo material. If you really disagree with it the best thing to do is completely ignore it.
Only the tyrants fear words: the just, right, and true speak openly and fearlessly.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I doubt anyone is going to be lusting after Nicolosi's book no matter if they ban them in Boston or not. It's just plain garbageYeah, there is a slippery slope and a 1st Amendment violation.
Look, I just don't know where people find it acceptable that corporate oligarchs get to become the thought police. I might think that guy is completely idiotic, but I still think he has a right to say whatever stupid things he thinks. Not that I'm defending him on his material (I think it's ridiculous), but I also realize that many great ideas seemed stupid at first to the unwashed masses and where would we be if it were not for the ability to test those ideas versus the measure of common sense over time? This censorship thing rebooted in the 80's and it's still as much **** then as it is now. Besides, ultimately, it backfires: The Streisand Effect engages because you've banned the book -- now millions of folks that didn't give a single **** about it are lusting over this taboo material. If you really disagree with it the best thing to do is completely ignore it.
Only the tyrants fear words: the just, right, and true speak openly and fearlessly.
Oh, sorry. Lol
Meh, Amazon just made that his estate a couple hundred thousand more bucks at least - I promise you.
Anyway, I'm not in disagreement that it's trash but if that's the criteria we'd ban 50 Shades of Grey and the entire show "Friends".
Anyway, this attitude of banning all the things is completely unacceptable and detrimental no matter what the object or aim of such acts are. They limit discourse, illumination, and most of all the freedom of thought that advances us as a whole. Sure, some will use that freedom to spew retarded commentary about homosexuals but others will certainly use their voice to make a reasonable proposition. Today it'll be this extreme guy that gets the ban, tomorrow, it'll just be the guy who doesn't see one of the oligarchs points the same way -- since, now you're use to them banning
and have become complacent. Make no mistake this is the ultimate aim of such an endeavor in the first place.
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To compare ones own writing to the bible is...... I cant say it........
* In the past Brown has been criticized in Charlotte [North Carolina] by the local LGBTQ community for holding a rally in protest of their 2009 Charlotte Pride Festival. The Southern Poverty Law Center has profiled him for his promotion of "junk science" on topics connected to sexual orientation, such as in his regular claims that homosexuality is caused by childhood trauma and his support for conversion therapy. In September 2012, the organization named him in their list of "30 New Activists Heading Up the Radical Right." In March 2014, Brown traveled to Peru to promote anti-gay laws. He has also defended Uganda's criminalization of homosexuality. He has said gays should be treated with respect and dignity."This week, Amazon removed books from its website by the late Joseph Nicolosi, the so-called “father of conversion therapy.” Nicolosi spent his career convincing people they could change their sexual orientation and that homosexuality was something that needed to (and could) be prevented. He died in 2017.
For months now, activists have been pushing for Amazon to stop letting gay torture advocates use the company to funnel its products. One petition at Change.org had over 80,000 signatures and argued that Nicolosi’s books have led to “mental health issues including depression, self-harm, and suicide.” For Amazon to profit from that was appalling.
And now those books are off the site. They’re still available elsewhere, but Amazon isn’t offering them. Good on them.
Now Dr. Michael Brown* at Charisma is worried that Amazon will come after the Bible next.
As hilarious as it would be for Amazon to ban all versions of the Bible for all the mental anguish that book has caused, Brown, as is so often the case with him, misses the obvious.
… for claiming that sexual orientation is not innate and immutable, and for claiming that change is possible, [Amazon says] Dr. Nicolosi’s books must be banned.
This leads to the logical question: Will Amazon ban the Bible next? There is no hyperbole here.
Why, then, should Amazon ban his books but continue to sell the Bible, which provides the theological underpinnings for Dr. Nicolosi’s scientific work?
After all, gay critics of the Bible refer to the so-called “clobber passages,” referring to verses which have been used to speak against homosexual practice. If these verses, then, have brought such harm to the gay community, why shouldn’t the book containing these verses be banned?
There’s a difference between books that promote harm and cruelty and books people claim justify hate and cruelty. Plenty of progressive Christians would argue the biblical “clobber verses” are taken out of context and that their holy book isn’t nearly as bigoted as conservatives might suggest.
Amazon isn’t censoring Nicolosi because his views are politically incorrect. They’re not selling his books because they’re providing a guidebook for torture. It’s the same reason they got rid of books that claimed drinking bleach could “cure” autism.
If the issue was merely that of disagreement, Amazon couldn’t sell anything concerning religious or politics. This isn’t about a bad opinion. (Amazon is still selling books written by conservative writers.) It’s about immoral, illegal advocacy. It’s about getting rid of a book that leads to death.
There’s no slippery slope. There is no First Amendment violation. There is only hyperbole.
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Brown was criticized for citing the white supremacist website Stormfront in an article "asking whether it was time for another Jesus Movement among Jewish millennials".[10] He apologized, saying he was not aware what the site was.
Source: Wikipedia
Homophobia is just a gay pride parade away.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
And yet you dare not answer the question, but need to dance around it. Hmmmmmm. . . . . . . Interesting. . . . . . . . . . . . . Verrrry interesting.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
People seek out all sorts of whack crap. That doesnt mean it should be allowed or promoted, especially when there is a clear case for tremendous harm from those sources.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
I have a cousin who seeks out opiates every single day
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
It's doubtful they were harassed, as numerous medical, psychological, psychiatric, counseling, and therapy organizations have denounced conversion therapy as damaging and destructive. That is the likely rsason Amazon had it pulled.
Hmmmm I dunno about all this conversion stuff. I went to school with a guy k-12. I never spoke much to him, we just were apart of different scenes. He was gay, never tried to hide it. I'm sure he faced bullying and the usual harrassment from folks. But he got along with most everybody and always seems like a level headed guy to me.
At our 20 years HS anniversary. I met up with him for the first time since HS. He introduced me to his wife and kids, to my surprise obviously. Turns out he is now a gay conversion therapist himself. Even has a nationally published book of his own describing how he overcame his homosexuality.
Just a disclaimer though.
I don't think it's cool to force or coerce someone into gay conversion therapy of any kind. But I don't see a problem if someone wanted to seek it out because they wanted to change themselves. Whether it's even possible or not I can't speak of, because I don't know. But if someone is doing it for themselves of their own free will and not hurting anyone else, I don't see the issue.
At our 20 years HS anniversary. I met up with him for the first time since HS. He introduced me to his wife and kids, to my surprise obviously. Turns out he is now a gay conversion therapist himself. Even has a nationally published book of his own describing how he overcame his homosexuality.
Just a disclaimer though.
I don't think it's cool to force or coerce someone into gay conversion therapy of any kind. But I don't see a problem if someone wanted to seek it out because they wanted to change themselves. Whether it's even possible or not I can't speak of, because I don't know. But if someone is doing it for themselves of their own free will and not hurting anyone else, I don't see the issue.
Well I suppose there’s no real law against hurting yourself. One can even refuse medical treatment, if that is their wish.
So in principle I suppose I can agree with your treatise.
But sexuality can change on its own, naturally without any “therapy.”
I’ve known masculine manly straight guys from high school just get more and more into gay culture after Uni/College. I’ve known stereotypical gay guys go onto have a wife and kids. Mostly the “deviation” has more to do with the fluidity of human sexuality and perhaps societal pressures.
This kind of therapy does seem particularly insidious though. At least from the horror stories of survivors.
Nothing but self flaggelation, self hate and depression as far as I can tell. And very obviously still gay guys. But I suppose you’re right. People can torture themselves if they so desire.
Seriously though, Stephen Fry weren’t lying when he told the Ex Gay therapist guy he could easily pass for a gay guy lol
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Homophobia is just a gay pride parade away.
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I thought this was more like "Christophobia is on full display". It's been paraded non-stop!