Why do not some understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God?

stvdv · Jul 5, 2019

Why do not some understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God?

calm said:
is not that clear enough?

If you find it strange that "some" people do not understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God

Then I assume that you find it also strange that "some" people do not understand that some Hindu Scriptures teach that Krishna is God

I assume you understand that Bhagavad Gita teaches that Krishna is God, Okay?

calm · Jul 6, 2019

Earthling said:
Revelation 1:8 isn't talking about Jesus, it's talking about Jehovah.

---And it doesn't mention the term omnipotent.

---Neither Jehovah nor Jesus are omnipresent. God's position is fixed in heaven. There would be no need to mention that if he were everywhere all at once. (1 Kings 8:39, 43, 49)

---Yes. But the angels are called gods, Satan is called a god, Moses, Tammuz, the judges of Israel. Are they God as well? (Exodus 4:16; 7:1; Psalm 8:5; 82:1, 6; John 10:34, 35; Ezekiel 8:1, 3, 14)

---Revelation 1:8 isn't talking about Jesus, it's talking about Jehovah.

But of course please consider the whole context. It is Jesus who speaks. (btw. Jehovah is not the name of the father)

---And it doesn't mention the term omnipotent.

Omnipotent and Almighty is the same meaning.

---Neither Jehovah nor Jesus are omnipresent. God's position is fixed in heaven. There would be no need to mention that if he were everywhere all at once. (1 Kings 8:39, 43, 49)

But of course. God sees everything. Whether one says omnipresent or all-seeing is no difference.

---Yes. But the angels are called gods, Satan is called a god, Moses, Tammuz, the judges of Israel. Are they God as well? (Exodus 4:16; 7:1; Psalm 8:5; 82:1, 6; John 10:34, 35; Ezekiel 8:1, 3, 14)

( Yes thats true. But call me only one person who is called by God the Father with the title "God" beside Jesus. )

Yes, in the Bible people and angels are called God. But there is a difference between Jesus and the angels / people. Jesus is referred to in the Bible as the true God (for example: 1 John 5:20 ...) but the people and the angels are each referred to as ONE God. There is a big difference between GOD and ONE God. GOD means the highest, ONE god means a "mighty one" (for someone).
The same is with the title: THE Son of God. Jesus called himself THE Son of God, whereupon the Pharisees got angry, but why? For the Pharisees also called themselves sons of God.
John 8:41
You were doing the works your father. "They said to him," We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father-even God. "
The answer is, Jesus did not call himself ONE son of God but THE son of God. There is a difference between ONE son of God and THE Son of God. ONE son of God is not to be understood literally but only as a title. THE Son of God is to be understood literally, because it claims to be out of God. So to be of the same nature as God. For example, the Son of the man is man, and the Son of God is God.
Because of this, the Pharisees reacted furiously when Jesus answered that he was THE Son of God.
Matthew 26:63
"I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, THE Son of God." 64 Jesus said to him, "You have said so. But he says, "He has uttered blasphemy." He then uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy. 66 What is your judgment? "They answered," He deserves death. "67 Then they spit in his face and struck him. And some slapped him.
The same is with the title "Christ"(Messiah), "Christ" means anointed. And in the Bible, Jesus is not the only "Christ", there are many, for example, the priests are called "Christs" (Lev. 4:16). Everyone who is anointed is a Christ / Messiah. But the difference between Jesus and the others is that Jesus is THE Christ.

The languages are really a big big problem. Each language is different, it would be no problem to translate something Spanish into English, as both languages are similar. But to translate something from Hebrew or Greek into English is a big problem, the languages are not similar at all. No one who speaks only english will be able to fully understand the Bible. I recommend everyone to learn the Hebrew and Greek language, this is very important.

Martin Luther once said:

"The Hebrew language is the very best and richest in words, and pure, does not beg, has its own color. [...] When I was younger, I wanted to learn this language, because without it, one can no longer properly understand the Scriptures. That's why they said rightly: The Hebrews drink out of the original spring, The Greeks drink out of the stream flowing out of the stream, The Latins, however, out of the puddle."(WA TR 1, 524.21f., 525.15-20, see also WA TR 6, No. 6805).

sooda · Jul 6, 2019

Unveiled Artist said:
Jesus is the invisible image of an visible god
Jesus is the intermediary between god and man
Jesus says that only his father should be credited. {I'm just the go between}

Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)
I am the Alpha: That is god. Jesus just speaks for him
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations. {Because god "gave him" that authority-aka "given to me". Therefore, if you want to know god, you have to go through me [jesus]}

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Jesus is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20)
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.e 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,f baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,g 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with youi always, to the very end of the age.”

Jesus was given the authority because he is god's son; his incarnation; his intermediary. When you have someone to speak on behalf of someone else, they represent you in what you say and do. Yet, they are not each other.

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A prophet calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6)
For a child is born to us, A son is given to us; And the government Is upon His shoulder; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
In other words, -we will call him- God, Father, Prince of Peace {I think they used these references in Acts if I'm not mistaken-when people looked to jesus as a god since he is the one that died. In other words, they were worshiping christ when they should have been worshiping his father as per jesus said}

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The apostles call Jesus God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)
20 After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. 21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Notice jesus doesn't talk about himself but of god.
Lord and god are placeholders for someone important. Today, we'd probably say Boss or something like that. But not so back then.

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

In other words, god blessed christ who came to the earth. Not a good verse for trinity.

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

They are referring to christ as god because he and the father are one. Christ represents god; he is god's spoke person. Would you expect people to call christ any different if they knew he was the only way to get to his father? A lot of this is context too.

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God the father calls Jesus God (Hebrews 1:8)
Long ago, at many times and ain many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but bin these last days che has spoken to us by dhis Son, whom he appointed ethe heir of all things, through whom also he created gthe world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and hthe exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. iAfter making purification for sins, jhe sat down kat the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name lhe has inherited is more excellent than theirs.

Jesus can do what god does but he isn't god nor does he put himself in that light. You can see how god talks about his son separately as if he is given his power etc to someone else. If jesus had not said his father was greater than he and he doesn't speak for him, I can see it. Unless a contradiction, it doesn't match up.

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Jesus is the image of the invisible Al (Colossians 1:15)
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

A son is always in image of his father. (Image, incarnation, intermediary, son)

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God is the shepherd (Palm 23,1) = Jesus is the shepherd (John 10:11)
Jesus is the shepherd because (above) god gave him power over heavens and earth. In other words, the authority god has he gave to his son. (He didn't become his son in the process, though. That's the difference)

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God became flesh (human) and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)
The Word Became Flesh. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word is god's Law-his dictation
People didn't listen to his Law (Before Moses)
God made his Law incarnate so it can "walk among the people"
Jesus became the god's law.

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Jesus is worshiped (Acts 7:59-60)
While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin.

No. People went to christ because he was the link to man and the father. They went to him as if he were god himself because that's the only way they could come to god cleaned was to follow christ. The thing is, christ kept telling them "it's not me, it's god. Stop it."

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Jesus accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)
Cause he's god's intermediary and has the authority given from his father to do so

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Jesus is the Creator (Rom. 11:36) (Col. 1:16-17)
For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
From him {to which god gave authority} and for him all things are made.
If christ wasn't given the authority, this would be mute

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Jesus is omniscient (John 21:17) (John 6:64)
New International Version The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?" Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you ...

“17Jesus said to Peter the third time, 'Simon, son of John, do you love me?' Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, 'Do you love me?' and he said to him, 'Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.' Jesus said to him, 'Feed my sheep'” (John 21:17, ESV).

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Lord (not Jehovah-title of authority)....you know everything (because gave you that authority. You don't claim it for yourself)

However, there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.) {Just like every other human, you get a feeling something would happen. It does. Oh. rats* I was right.}

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Who has seen Jesus, has seen God(John 14:9)
Jesus answered: “Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can.

Because god gave christ the same authority he has. Since he is the middle man, of course Philip would refer to christ because in doing so, he's talking to his father (not christ).

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God is the light (Psalm 1:27) = Jesus is the light (John 8:12)
Dispute Over Jesus' Testimony - When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in.

Cause jesus is between his father and man.

Whoever believes in Jesus believes in God (John 12:44)

That just means you believe in god because you believe in jesus. It's not a trinity verse.

You have to read it in context. Also, Through, from, above, prepositions are not the same as is, am, are.
Lord and god are titles of authority. They are actually Roman words, if I'm not mistaken.

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Okay. I said my little thing passing through. If I don't get back to you by today, I probably won't be back for awhile.

That's quite a wall of text. Can you break it down to where Jesus says he's God or the Messiah?

blü 2 · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
Jehovah is not the name of the father

'Jehovah' is an English version of the Tanakh's tetragrammaton, YHWH, the name of the god of the Jews, whom Jesus as a circumcised Jew worships eg

John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

and whom he refers to both as 'my father (τὸν πατέρα μου) and 'the Father' (τὸν πατέρα). In other words, English 'Jehovah', like its later form 'Yahweh', refers to the god both of the Tanakh and the NT.

calm · Jul 6, 2019

blü 2 said:
'Jehovah' is an English version of the Tanakh's tetragrammaton, YHWH, the name of the god of the Jews, whom Jesus as a circumcised Jew worships eg

John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.”

John 20:17 “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.”

and whom he refers to both as 'my father (τὸν πατέρα μου) and 'the Father' (τὸν πατέρα). In other words, English 'Jehovah', like its later form 'Yahweh', refers to the god both of the Tanakh and the NT.

The name jehovah is a fictitious name of the catholic church, in the 14th or 15th century catholic theologians mixed the title AdOnAi with YHWH and from this came "Jehovah".
The name Jehovah is wrong not only because it was created by a "mix", but also because the letters J and V are not present in Ancient Hebrew. The J is usually a Y and the V/W is a U (in ancient hebrew there are no J or V/W sound). Also, "YHWH" is wrong, because the letter W did not exist until much later. The W was a "double U" before it was changed. YHUH is the right form and not "YHWH".
The name Jehovah is not only wrong but also blasphemy, because Je-hovah means earth-mischief. The Je comes from the Greek and means also in Greek earth, Hovah means in Hebrew mischief. Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
Yud-Hei-UaU-Hei are the 4 letters of the name.
Yod = Y; Hei = AH, Uau = U, Hei = AH
If you connect all the letters now, then the name YAHUAH comes out. That's the true name of the father. In the ancient Hebrew, YHUH does not mean "I am who I am," , but BEHOLD A HAND, BEHOLD A NAIL.

blü 2 · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
The name jehovah is a fictitious name of the catholic church, in the 14th or 15th century catholic theologians mixed the title AdOnAi with YHWH and from this came "Jehovah".
The name Jehovah is wrong not only because it was created by a "mix", but also because the letters J and V are not present in Ancient Ancient Hebrew. The J is usually a Y and the V is a U (in ancient hebrew there are no J or V sound). Also, "YHWH" is wrong, because the letter W did not exist until much later. The W was a "double U" before it was changed. YHUH is the right form and not "YHWH".
The name Jehovah is not only wrong but also blasphemy, because Je-hovah means earth-mischief. The Je comes from the Greek and means also in Greek earth, Hovah means in Hebrew mischief. Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
Yud-Hei-UaU-Hei are the 4 letters of the name.
Yod = Y; Hei = AH, Uau = U, Hei = AH
If you connect all the letters now, then the name YAHUAH comes out. That's the true name of the father. In the ancient Hebrew, YHUH does not mean "I am who I am," , but BEHOLD A HAND, BEHOLD A NAIL.

In the Tanakh the letters of the tetragrammaton are yodh [Y], he [H], waw [W] and he [H], assembled in modern Latin font as YHWH. It comes into English as 'Jehovah' in Tyndale's translations of the bible (the J standing for and pronounced as a capital I in those days, and the v stood for u, meaning it was pronounced Yehowa[h]. There had been precedents on the Continent for a spelling along those lines. The KJV has a great debt to Tyndale, and also used 'Jehovah' ─ Wikipedia kindly provides one example. Around my way we don't regard the KJV as 'Catholic' ─ that must be a local tradition where you are.

And regardless, the tetragrammaton is the name of the god of the Tanakh, who's also the god of the NT, and its English form as 'Jehovah' has denoted that god since the 16th century.

sooda · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
The name jehovah is a fictitious name of the catholic church, in the 14th or 15th century catholic theologians mixed the title AdOnAi with YHWH and from this came "Jehovah".
The name Jehovah is wrong not only because it was created by a "mix", but also because the letters J and V are not present in Ancient Ancient Hebrew.

The J is usually a Y and the V is a U (in ancient hebrew there are no J or V sound). Also, "YHWH" is wrong, because the letter W did not exist until much later. The W was a "double U" before it was changed. YHUH is the right form and not "YHWH".
The name Jehovah is not only wrong but also blasphemy, because Je-hovah means earth-mischief. The Je comes from the Greek and means also in Greek earth, Hovah means in Hebrew mischief. Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
Yud-Hei-UaU-Hei are the 4 letters of the name.
Yod = Y; Hei = AH, Uau = U, Hei = AH

If you connect all the letters now, then the name YAHUAH comes out. That's the true name of the father. In the ancient Hebrew, YHUH does not mean "I am who I am," , but BEHOLD A HAND, BEHOLD A NAIL.

Wow.. that's a lot of new information for me. No Jehovah.. What a muddle.

"YHUH does not mean "I am who I am," , but BEHOLD A HAND, BEHOLD A NAIL."

Sand Dancer · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)

Jesus is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20)

A prophet calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6)

The apostles call Jesus God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)

God the father calls Jesus God (Hebrews 1:8)

Jesus is the image of the invisible Al (Colossians 1:15)

God is the shepherd (Palm 23,1) = Jesus is the shepherd (John 10:11)

God became flesh (human) and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)

Jesus is worshiped (Acts 7:59-60)

Jesus accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)

Jesus and the father are one (John 10:30)

God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)

God will judge the world (Psalm 98:9) = Jesus is the judge (Matthew 25:31-46)

God is the eternal (Psalm 90:2) = Jesus is the eternal (Revelation 1:18)

God is the rock (1.Samuel 2:2) = Jesus is the rock (1 Corinthians 10:4)

God is the Lords of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)

God is the first and the last (Isaiah 44:6) = Jesus is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17-18)

Jesus forgives sins (Mark 2:5)

Jesus demands that one should honor him as one does God honor (John 5:23)

Jesus is the Creator (Rom. 11:36) (Col. 1:16-17)

Jesus is omniscient (John 21:17) (John 6:64)

Who has seen Jesus, has seen God(John 14:9)

God is the light (Psalm 1:27) = Jesus is the light (John 8:12)

Whoever believes in Jesus believes in God (John 12:44)

is not that clear enough?

The New Testament does, but the Old Testament does not. Isaiah 9:6 is about Ahaz's son, Hezekiah, not Jesus. Read the previous verses.

Sandra Jayne · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
The name jehovah is a fictitious name of the catholic church, in the 14th or 15th century catholic theologians mixed the title AdOnAi with YHWH and from this came "Jehovah".
The name Jehovah is wrong not only because it was created by a "mix", but also because the letters J and V are not present in Ancient Ancient Hebrew. The J is usually a Y and the V/W is a U (in ancient hebrew there are no J or V/W sound). Also, "YHWH" is wrong, because the letter W did not exist until much later. The W was a "double U" before it was changed. YHUH is the right form and not "YHWH".
The name Jehovah is not only wrong but also blasphemy, because Je-hovah means earth-mischief. The Je comes from the Greek and means also in Greek earth, Hovah means in Hebrew mischief. Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
Yud-Hei-UaU-Hei are the 4 letters of the name.
Yod = Y; Hei = AH, Uau = U, Hei = AH
If you connect all the letters now, then the name YAHUAH comes out. That's the true name of the father. In the ancient Hebrew, YHUH does not mean "I am who I am," , but BEHOLD A HAND, BEHOLD A NAIL.

Sandra Jayne · Jul 6, 2019

Don't know where that link got their translations from but I know that at least the Hebrew translation of הָוה is incorrect because it translates as 'present'.

Unveiled Artist · Jul 6, 2019

sooda said:
That's quite a wall of text. Can you break it down to where Jesus says he's God or the Messiah?

I can't. The whole text says he isn't. The reply was based on the OP. It was explaining how jesus is god with a whole bunch of verses. I got bored and went through them all [most] explaining he didn't say that's the case.
I did a good amount of writing somewhere gathering dust when I used to come here often.

sooda · Jul 6, 2019

Unveiled Artist said:
I can't. The whole text says he isn't. The reply was based on this: Why do not some understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God?

I was bored so I went through each one and explained how jesus wasn't god nor said he was. I did a good amount of writing somewhere gathering dust when I used to come here often.

You did a cut and paste from some crappy amateur website. Its an important question.. Did Jesus say he was God?

I don't think that he did.. Can't be sure, but I have only been studying this stuff for 60 years.

I absolutely believe he was a holy man..

Unveiled Artist · Jul 6, 2019

sooda said:
You did a cut and paste from some crappy amateur website. Its an important question.. Did Jesus say he was God?

I don't think that he did.. Can't be sure, but I have only been studying this stuff for 60 years.

I absolutely believe he was a holy man..

It was cut and passed from the OP-Calm's mentioning jesus is god. He/she did a whole list of verses and I just copied and past with my comments that showed he did not say he was god.

As for the format etc I think I did it at night. I forgot this site doesn't have format and coloring so...

Neutral Name · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)

Jesus is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20)

A prophet calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6)

The apostles call Jesus God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)

God the father calls Jesus God (Hebrews 1:8)

Jesus is the image of the invisible Al (Colossians 1:15)

God is the shepherd (Palm 23,1) = Jesus is the shepherd (John 10:11)

God became flesh (human) and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)

Jesus is worshiped (Acts 7:59-60)

Jesus accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)

Jesus and the father are one (John 10:30)

God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)

God will judge the world (Psalm 98:9) = Jesus is the judge (Matthew 25:31-46)

God is the eternal (Psalm 90:2) = Jesus is the eternal (Revelation 1:18)

God is the rock (1.Samuel 2:2) = Jesus is the rock (1 Corinthians 10:4)

God is the Lords of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)

God is the first and the last (Isaiah 44:6) = Jesus is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17-18)

Jesus forgives sins (Mark 2:5)

Jesus demands that one should honor him as one does God honor (John 5:23)

Jesus is the Creator (Rom. 11:36) (Col. 1:16-17)

Jesus is omniscient (John 21:17) (John 6:64)

Who has seen Jesus, has seen God(John 14:9)

God is the light (Psalm 1:27) = Jesus is the light (John 8:12)

Whoever believes in Jesus believes in God (John 12:44)

is not that clear enough?

I have so many things that I could say but I don't diminish other peoples' religious beliefs. I could very easily counter your statements with things which would prove the opposite but in doing so, I would hurt good Christians who don't deserve it. Let's just say the fact that so many "Christians" don't even follow what Jesus said was important proves that there is some sort of problem with Christianity. So many "Christians" don't even seem to know that Jesus said that loving others was the most important thing. If people don't have love in their hearts, they aren't Christians. If you want me to state more, I will try to find a way around hurting good Christians who are following Jesus so I will have to tread lightly and not be explicit in what I tell you but I will explain many things to you.

Dell · Jul 6, 2019

calm said:
Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)

Jesus is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20)

A prophet calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6)

The apostles call Jesus God (John 20:28-29) (Romans 9:5) (1 John 5:20)

God the father calls Jesus God (Hebrews 1:8)

Jesus is the image of the invisible Al (Colossians 1:15)

God is the shepherd (Palm 23,1) = Jesus is the shepherd (John 10:11)

God became flesh (human) and Jesus is this flesh (John 1:1+14) (1 Timothy 3:16)

Jesus is worshiped (Acts 7:59-60)

Jesus accepts prayers (John 14:13-14)

Jesus and the father are one (John 10:30)

God is the only Redeemer (Isaiah 43:11) = Jesus is the Redeemer (Luke 2:11)

God will judge the world (Psalm 98:9) = Jesus is the judge (Matthew 25:31-46)

God is the eternal (Psalm 90:2) = Jesus is the eternal (Revelation 1:18)

God is the rock (1.Samuel 2:2) = Jesus is the rock (1 Corinthians 10:4)

God is the Lords of Lords (Deuteronomy 10:17) = Jesus is the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)

God is the first and the last (Isaiah 44:6) = Jesus is the first and the last (Revelation 1:17-18)

Jesus forgives sins (Mark 2:5)

Jesus demands that one should honor him as one does God honor (John 5:23)

Jesus is the Creator (Rom. 11:36) (Col. 1:16-17)

Jesus is omniscient (John 21:17) (John 6:64)

Who has seen Jesus, has seen God(John 14:9)

God is the light (Psalm 1:27) = Jesus is the light (John 8:12)

Whoever believes in Jesus believes in God (John 12:44)

is not that clear enough?

Because the Bible teaches it does it mean it is true? By who's authority is the Bible validated as creditable? If you say "God" than your implying an authority only seen in the Bible. That's simply saying the Bible authorizes and validates itself. But the bible so corrupt it has been reinterpreted numerous times and nobody can agree on one interpretation. Most of the authors of books in the Bible aren't even known or creditable..

The Anointed · Jul 6, 2019

Why do some people not understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is not a god who became a man, but a man who was given divine glory by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, (See Acts 3: 13.) and is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of our Father, and invites all his brothers, who, like himself are able to win the victory to sit with him in our Father's throne, from where, according to Paul, we shall judge even the angels (See Revelation 3: 21.)?

calm · Jul 7, 2019

Dell said:
Because the Bible teaches it does it mean it is true? By who's authority is the Bible validated as creditable? If you say "God" than your implying an authority only seen in the Bible. That's simply saying the Bible authorizes and validates itself. But the bible so corrupt it has been reinterpreted numerous times and nobody can agree on one interpretation. Most of the authors of books in the Bible aren't even known or creditable..

Yes you are right the interpretations are different, every Bible translation says something different. It's hard to find truth. Someone who speaks only English will never be able to fully understand the Bible. Thats why I say languages are really a big problem. Each language is different, it would be no problem to translate something Spanish into English, as both languages are similar. But to translate something from Hebrew or Greek into English is a big problem, because they are not similar at all.
Martin Luther once said:
"The Hebrew language is the very best and richest in words, and pure, does not beg, has its own color. [...] When I was younger, I wanted to learn this language, because without it, one can no longer properly understand the Scriptures That's why they're right: The Hebrews drink out of the original spring, The Greeks drink out of the stream, The Latins, however, out of the puddle. "(WA TR 1, 524.21 f., 525.15-20, see also WA TR 6, No. 6805).

In order to properly understand the meaning of the scriptures of the Bible, I recommend everyone to learn the Hebrew and Greek language. It is already proved by the original copies that, in today's Bible, there are sentences that are not in the original. For example, the story with the adulteress is fake, it is not included in the oldest Bibles.
(Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | John |).

Not only were false things added to the Bible, but true things were removed as well. For example, the Enoch Book (one of many) was until the fourth century in the canon then until it was finally removed, also in the Jewish canon, the book was there, but the Jews removed the book because Jesus was prophesied in it. Jude even quotes from the book of Enoch:
Jude 1: 14-15:
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with thou thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and all of them they have committed themselves in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him. "

And now in the Enoch book:
1 Enoch 1: 9:
Behold! He comes with the thousands of His ungodly, and all the ungodly: which they have ungodly committed, and all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

So, if the book of enoch is fake, from which book quotes Jude then?

But who is it that brought so much confusion into the bible? It is the Catholic Church. It was they who made people worship the cross, use the rosary, worship Mary and angels, and bring the names Jesus and Jehovah into the world. They have given the father and the son God blasphemes names so that people can not reach him. But how can we see the truth in all the confusion? You have to be righteous and you have to ask God for help. But not with the name of Jesus (means earth-pig SUS is Latin for Pig ), but with the true name, YAHUSHA.

calm · Jul 7, 2019

The Anointed said:
Why do some people not understand that the Bible teaches that Jesus is not a god who became a man, but a man who was given divine glory by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, (See Acts 3: 13.) and is now incontestably divine and sits in the heavenly throne of our Father, and invites all his brothers, who, like himself are able to win the victory to sit with him in our Father's throne, from where, according to Paul, we shall judge even the angels (See Revelation 3: 21.)?

Yes you are right Jesus is not a god but God. God became a man.

John 1:1+14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word became flesh(human) and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh(Jesus), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Philippians 2:5-8
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Jesus,
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

1213 · Jul 7, 2019

1.Jesus is omnipotent (Revelation 1:8) (Matthew 28:18)

Then, how can it be said:

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
1 Cor. 15:27-28

2.Jesus is omnipresent (Matthew 28:20)

That doesn’t say Jesus is omnipresent.

3.A prophet calls Jesus God (Isaiah 9:6)

Jesus had his Fathers name, which can be called “Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace”.

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name. Those whom you have given me I have kept. None of them is lost, except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:11-12

This doesn’t mean Jesus is the one and only God that Jesus says is greater than him.

the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

If Jesus would be the Father, how could you have son?

He who has the Son has the life. He who doesn't have God's Son doesn't have the life.
1 John 5:12

11.Jesus and the father are one (John 10:30)

Also disciples of Jesus are one with God:

that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me.
John 17:21

18.Jesus forgives sins (Mark 2:5)

His disciples also forgive sins:

Whoever's sins you forgive, they are forgiven them. Whoever's sins you retain, they have been retained."
John 20:23

19.Jesus demands that one should honor him as one does God honor (John 5:23)

Jesus doesn’t demand that.

21.Jesus is omniscient (John 21:17) (John 6:64)

But he says:

But no one knows of that day and hour, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matt. 24:36

And the others, I think it would be good to understand, Jesus came in the name of God. He acts in the name of God. He is like God's ambassador. It can be compared to a president. President acts in the name of the nation, even though he is not the nation himself. Same is with Jesus, he represents God on earth, makes deal in the name of God. That is why it is said:

Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me.
John 7:16

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5

Most assuredly I tell you, he who receives whomever I send, receives me; and he who receives me, receives him who sent me."
John 13:20

If I am sent by God and you receive me, you receive God. Still, I am not the one and only true God that is greater than Jesus and all.

sooda · Jul 7, 2019

calm said:
Yes you are right the interpretations are different, every Bible translation says something different. It's hard to find truth. Someone who speaks only English will never be able to fully understand the Bible. Thats why I say languages are really a big problem. Each language is different, it would be no problem to translate something Spanish into English, as both languages are similar. But to translate something from Hebrew or Greek into English is a big problem, because they are not similar at all.
Martin Luther once said:
"The Hebrew language is the very best and richest in words, and pure, does not beg, has its own color. [...] When I was younger, I wanted to learn this language, because without it, one can no longer properly understand the Scriptures That's why they're right: The Hebrews drink out of the original spring, The Greeks drink out of the stream, The Latins, however, out of the puddle. "(WA TR 1, 524.21 f., 525.15-20, see also WA TR 6, No. 6805).

In order to properly understand the meaning of the scriptures of the Bible, I recommend everyone to learn the Hebrew and Greek language. It is already proved by the original copies that, in today's Bible, there are sentences that are not in the original. For example, the story with the adulteress is fake, it is not included in the oldest Bibles.
(Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | John |).

Not only were false things added to the Bible, but true things were removed as well. For example, the Enoch Book (one of many) was until the fourth century in the canon then until it was finally removed, also in the Jewish canon, the book was there, but the Jews removed the book because Jesus was prophesied in it. Jude even quotes from the book of Enoch:
Jude 1: 14-15:
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with thou thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and all of them they have committed themselves in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him. "

And now in the Enoch book:
1 Enoch 1: 9:
Behold! He comes with the thousands of His ungodly, and all the ungodly: which they have ungodly committed, and all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

So, if the book of enoch is fake, from which book quotes Jude then?

But who is it that brought so much confusion into the bible? It is the Catholic Church. It was they who made people worship the cross, use the rosary, worship Mary and angels, and bring the names Jesus and Jehovah into the world. They have given the father and the son God blasphemes names so that people can not reach him. But how can we see the truth in all the confusion? You have to be righteous and you have to ask God for help. But not with the name of Jesus (means earth-pig SUS is Latin for Pig ), but with the true name, YAHUSHA.

1 Enoch - Early Jewish Writings
www.earlyjewishwritings.com/1enoch.html
If, as most specialists concur, the early portions of 1 Enoch date from the first half of the second century B.C., chapters 37-71 could have been added in the first century B.C. or first century A.D. The original language of 1 Enoch appears to be Aramaic, except for the Noah traditions, which were probably composed in Hebrew.

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