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Jesus has a God!

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
What did I tell you?

Yet again the Trinitarian avoids the issue of Jesus having a God!

They don't know how to respond because they know that one God can not Himself or themselves have a God.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
There is so much evidence for the Trinitarian position that anyone arguing against it is blind. Most of those who argue against it are from the Jehovah's Witnesses cult, or the Mormons cult. And they will ignore or spit into the wind when faced with evidences such as the following:

Jesus Must be Jehovah
Would you please address the OP and explain how Jesus has a God? The God he calls "My God".
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
'Jesus must be Jehovah"?

Actually, it's YHVH. And YHVH is the name of God.

And that explains those two dozen or so examples that bust your "Father only" God claim? No way. You don't have an explanation for Post # 19.

"Hear O Israel, YHVH Elohim is ONE YHVH." Deu 6:4

Hate to burst your bubble again but...

The "Shema" Verse

For most Jewish people, the "Shema" is the foundational verse for the concept of a monotheistic God. It is the very heart of Judaism, and serves to confirm, in the Jewish mind, that there cannot be anything other than one God. The Shema verse is found in Deuteronomy 6:4, and says:

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord."

In Hebrew it reads, "Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad." The word Shema is the first Hebrew word in the passage and means "hear." At first glance this seems to support the Jewish concept of a monotheistic God. However, a careful examination of Deuteronomy 6:4 actually establishes, rather than refutes, the plurality of God. In fact, the Shema verse actually presents one of the strongest arguments for the tri-unity of God in the entire Bible. Here's why. The last word of the Shema verse is echad, which is translated into English as the word "one." This is what is known as a compound-unity noun - that is to say, a noun which demonstrates oneness or unity, but at the same time contains two or more entities. A number of scriptural examples will help make the point.

Genesis 2:24, speaking of the union of Adam and Eve, reads: "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become ONE flesh." Here, the Hebrew word that is used for "one" (one flesh) is the same word for "one" that is found in the Shema verse - echad. It clearly speaks of the unity of more than one person into a united, or singular, entity.

In Genesis 1:5, Moses used this same word when he described the first day of creation: "And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." This "one" day, or "first" day is the Hebrew word echad. The one day referred to was comprised of both light and darkness - evening and morning.

And still another example is found in Jeremiah 32, verses 38-39 which reads, "And they shall be my people, and I will be their God; And I will give THEM ONE HEART." Here, the many people are given "one" (echad) heart. A unity of two or more individuals into oneness.

Interestingly, however, there is another Hebrew word which signifies an absolute oneness, or singleness. That word is yachid. It is found in such scriptures as Genesis 22:2 (only son - one son), in Proverbs 4:3, in Judges 11:34, in Jeremiah 6:26, Amos 8:10, and in Zechariah 12:10 - "....and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only son." So considering that the Old Testament is the inspired word of God, Jehovah had a choice of using a word that implies singularity (yachid), or plurality in oneness (echad). He chose echad to make his point, so that it might be understood there is a plurality in union.

Jesus is God! And when he speaks about his God, he is speaking from his TEMPORARY HUMANITY. Philippians chapter 2, John chapter 1, etc., clearly identify Jesus as the divine God, who emptied himself of the divine at the incarnation to become a servant. Acts chapter 5 identifies the Holy Spirit as God, and the Father is known as God. So there you have it - the Triune God.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
'Jesus must be Jehovah"?

Actually, it's YHVH. And YHVH is the name of God.

Are all three persons named YHVH?

Let's see.....one person named YHVH, and another person named YHVH, and yet another person named YHVH?

That makes three YHVH's.

There is only one LORD (YHVH) God.

"Hear O Israel, YHVH Elohim is one YHVH." Deu 6:4
Let me cast some Light on this Truth.
"Hear Israel, YHWH Elohim (plural) is (singular)YHWH one."
Trinity!!!
This one God is a plural one!!!!
I like Deut 6:4 because Unitarians think it means something it doesnt
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
WHARRABOUT
Isaiah 48:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
This person speaking here that created it all say his YHWH and the SPIRIT sent Him.
Trinity!!!!
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
WHARRABOUT
Isaiah 48:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
This person speaking here that created it all say his YHWH and the SPIRIT sent Him.
Trinity!!!!

Yeh right!:D
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Jesus is God! And when he speaks about his God, he is speaking from his TEMPORARY HUMANITY. Philippians chapter 2, John chapter 1, etc., clearly identify Jesus as the divine God, who emptied himself of the divine at the incarnation to become a servant. Acts chapter 5 identifies the Holy Spirit as God, and the Father is known as God. So there you have it - the Triune God.

Your claim that echad means a unity one in Deu 6:4 is false. When the Jews learn to count in Hebrew, echad is the first number MEANING ONE(1)

אחת - Wiktionary

Ok, without going any further to refute your false claims, I'm sticking to the OP. And you finally decided to address the OP. Thank you.

You say: "when he speaks about his God, he is speaking from his TEMPORARY HUMANITY. "

That is completely moronic!

You are claiming that ONE PERSON can have a God and be God at the same time!

Is Jesus' humanity another person who has a God? Come on now, can't you see the complete absurdity in your language?
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Let me cast some Light on this Truth.
"Hear Israel, YHWH Elohim (plural) is (singular)YHWH one."
Trinity!!!
This one God is a plural one!!!!
I like Deut 6:4 because Unitarians think it means something it doesnt
One means ONE(1)!
ONE(1) bunch of bananas is not a unity one. In the same way two(2) bunches of bananas are not a unity Two(2).

When God declares HIMSELF to be ONE, HE means that there is no other God but HE.

Notice the singular pronouns. HE refers to ONE(1) person not three people.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
One means ONE(1)!
ONE(1) bunch of bananas is not a unity one. In the same way two(2) bunches of bananas are not a unity Two(2).

When God declares HIMSELF to be ONE, HE means that there is no other God but HE.

Notice the singular pronouns. HE refers to ONE(1) person not three people.
It seems as if you think Yhwh the Father, Yhwhshua the Word and the Spirit of Yhwh is 3 distinct Gods.
I dont.
I refuse to worship a polytheistic god.
My god is one God, who has a Word and a Spirit.
do you understand?
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
One means ONE(1)!
ONE(1) bunch of bananas is not a unity one. In the same way two(2) bunches of bananas are not a unity Two(2).

When God declares HIMSELF to be ONE, HE means that there is no other God but HE.

Notice the singular pronouns. HE refers to ONE(1) person not three people.

If god exists it has a very big ego, like a certain county's president, not a good personality trait!
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
It seems as if you think Yhwh the Father, Yhwhshua the Word and the Spirit of Yhwh is 3 distinct Gods.
I dont.
I refuse to worship a polytheistic god.
My god is one God, who has a Word and a Spirit.
do you understand?

YHVH is the name of the ONE GOD who is the Father alone. Yahshua is the name of the son of God. And the Spirit of God is the spirit of the Father.
There is the Father, the one true God and His son, Jesus. No plurality of gods.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
If god exists it has a very big ego, like a certain county's president, not a good personality trait!
If I were the ONE God I wouldn't want people to recognize and worship other gods either.

The reason Jesus, God's son, is worshiped,is because The God has placed all things under his feet and given everything to him. That's because The God (the Father) loves the son and gives him everything HE HIMSELF possesses.
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
YHVH is the name of the ONE GOD who is the Father alone. Yahshua is the name of the son of God. And the Spirit of God is the spirit of the Father.
There is the Father, the one true God and His son, Jesus. No plurality of gods.

How do you KNOW it is the one true god?
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
If I were the ONE God I wouldn't want people to recognize and worship other gods either.

The reason Jesus, God's son, is worshiped,is because The God has placed all things under his feet and given everything to him. That's because The God (the Father) loves the son and gives him everything HE HIMSELF possesses.
I will get to this discussion of the Trinity later once I am done with the Origins of the Universe.
Ill be back.
 

LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
I will get to this discussion of the Trinity later once I am done with the Origins of the Universe.
Ill be back.
the trinity is a man-made invention and has no place in Scripture. No one EVER taught that one God is three persons. Jesus himself has a God, therefore, a Trinity God is absurd.

There is NO reasonable explanation to say that Jesus is God but yet also has a God.

Why would anyone expect a reasonable person to believe nonsense?
 
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