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What does the Bible say about the origins of the Earth in relation to what science say?

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Agreed, but killing over religion is very dominant, and very cultural. Immediately the 30 Year War in Europe comes to mind, Anglicans versus Protestants or someone. I grew up with Christopher Columbus myths..... a man supported by the church had no trouble killing and maiming non-christians. Or the christian removal of AmerIndians by Anglicans. Grim stuff..... I believe so and so, therefore I can do this and that. Isn't that what religion is all about?

You should read about some of last centuries atheist leader's
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
You should read about some of last centuries atheist leader's

I have, but it's complex if you want to say atheism is the only or dominant cause. The idea that believing in this or that god or goddess means I want to kill another human being doesn't necessarily ring true to me. Perhaps it is more the notion of absolute belief in something, I don't know. I can't pretend to know the mind of Pol Pot for example, but I am worried about the christian minds that orchestrated the bombing of Cambodia and Laos, and no, I can't say that I've ever felt an urge to harm anyone just because I'm atheist, which only means I have no belief in any deity.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
I have, but it's complex if you want to say atheism is the only or dominant cause. The idea that believing in this or that god or goddess means I want to kill another human being doesn't necessarily ring true to me. Perhaps it is more the notion of absolute belief in something, I don't know. I can't pretend to know the mind of Pol Pot for example, but I am worried about the christian minds that orchestrated the bombing of Cambodia and Laos, and no, I can't say that I've ever felt an urge to harm anyone just because I'm atheist, which only means I have no belief in any deity.

That's a weak definition:

A) have you studied all deities
B) humans could have evolved to the point that this is just a recreation of earth making us the God we seek

And 1000 of other concepts better is:

I disbelieve in theological claims
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
That's a weak definition:

A) have you studied all deities
B) humans could have evolved to the point that this is just a recreation of earth making us the God we seek

And 1000 of other concepts better is:

I disbelieve in theological claims

Hmmm........ yes, well I'll leave it at that.......
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
But much of the Bible is as credible as the existence of fairies etc.

"Unicorn" in the Olden days meant "hooved animal"
The bible didn't mean there's a horned horse flying around.
"Dragons" are not specified, nor are "beasts" - the bible
wasn't into Chinese style monsters. Just language, that's
all.
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Agreed, but killing over religion is very dominant, and very cultural. Immediately the 30 Year War in Europe comes to mind, Anglicans versus Protestants or someone. I grew up with Christopher Columbus myths..... a man supported by the church had no trouble killing and maiming non-christians. Or the christian removal of AmerIndians by Anglicans. Grim stuff..... I believe so and so, therefore I can do this and that. Isn't that what religion is all about?

Take heart. In 1900 many believed the age of religion and monarchy was over.
There would be no more mass killings.
And then about 150,000,000 died in wars, holocausts, great leaps forward,
re-education centers, labor camps and purges. Nearly all of it was secular.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
"Unicorn" in the Olden days meant "hooved animal"
The bible didn't mean there's a horned horse flying around.
"Dragons" are not specified, nor are "beasts" - the bible
wasn't into Chinese style monsters. Just language, that's
all.

It depends on the translation, but unicorn does not mean hooved animal

Daniel has a vision of four beasts coming up out of the sea, and is told that they represent four kingdoms: A beast like a lion with eagle's wings. ... A fourth beast, with large iron teeth and ten horns.
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
Take heart. In 1900 many believed the age of religion and monarchy was over.
There would be no more mass killings.
And then about 150,000,000 died in wars, holocausts, great leaps forward,
re-education centers, labor camps and purges. Nearly all of it was secular.
Not sure about those stats.......Nearly all is what, at least 140 million? And you are saying that the perpetrators were without belief systems? But nearly all groups have cultural beliefs regarding gods and religions, I guess I would want to see the numbers.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Where in the bible does claim the Earth is 6000 years old? I'll give you a clue no ****ing where

The 7day creation story in genesis is brilliant considering it's historical age. Find one contemporary and better

According to the Bible, 1,948 years elapsed from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham ( Genesis ) , then 529 years elapsed from Abraham's birth until the Ten Commandments were written ( Genesis 17:1-4) , ( Galatians 3:17). 480 years passed after this time until King Solomon's Temple was built during the fourth year of his rule in Jerusalem. ( 1 Kings 6:1 ) According to the Bible, Solomon ruled Israel for another 36 years afterwards, and several other kings ruled Jerusalem all together for 396 years after Solomon until the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC. ( Kings 1 and 2 ) Thus, the Biblical date of creation for the earliest human life on Earth was approximately 6,000 years ago.

Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man". Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) and Eve whom the Bible claims as the "mother of all the living." (Genesis 3:20)
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
According to the Bible, 1,948 years elapsed from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham ( Genesis ) , then 529 years elapsed from Abraham's birth until the Ten Commandments were written ( Genesis 17:1-4) , ( Galatians 3:17). 480 years passed after this time until King Solomon's Temple was built during the fourth year of his rule in Jerusalem. ( 1 Kings 6:1 ) According to the Bible, Solomon ruled Israel for another 36 years afterwards, and several other kings ruled Jerusalem all together for 396 years after Solomon until the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC. ( Kings 1 and 2 ) Thus, the Biblical date of creation for the earliest human life on Earth was approximately 6,000 years ago.

Jesus's family tree has a time span of 77 generations listed between his generation and Adam whom the Bible claims was the "first man". Reference: (Luke 3:23-38) and Eve whom the Bible claims as the "mother of all the living." (Genesis 3:20)

The earliest evidence for modern humans in North West Europe is a jawbone discovered in England at Kents Cavern in 1927, which was re-dated in 2011 to between 41,000 and 44,000 years old.

Funny that

And its 'mother of all life'
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
The earliest evidence for modern humans in North West Europe is a jawbone discovered in England at Kents Cavern in 1927, which was re-dated in 2011 to between 41,000 and 44,000 years old.

Funny that

And its 'mother of all life'

Current estimates suggest Mitochondrial Eve existed ca. 150,000 years ago.

A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes

US National Library of Medicine
National Institutes of Health

Curr Biol. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2016 Sep 26.

Published in final edited form as:
Curr Biol. 2013 Apr 8; 23(7): 553–559.
Published online 2013 Mar 21. doi: 10.1016/j.cub.2013.02.044
PMCID: PMC5036973
NIHMSID: NIHMS459804
PMID: 23523248
A revised timescale for human evolution based on ancient mitochondrial genomes
Qiaomei Fu,#1,3 Alissa Mittnik,#2 Philip L.F. Johnson,4 Kirsten Bos,2,5 Martina Lari,6 Ruth Bollongino,7Chengkai Sun,8 Liane Giemsch,9,10 Ralf Schmitz,9 Joachim Burger,7 Anna Maria Ronchitelli,11 Fabio Martini,12Renata G. Cremonesi,13 Jiří Svoboda,14,15 Peter Bauer,16 David Caramelli,6 Sergi Castellano,1 David Reich,17,18Svante Pääbo,1 and Johannes Krause2,†
 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
No it's symbolic! Like most scripture its written to convey a deeper meaning
Shallow is probably always going to be more popular than Deep.

The internet's even gone so far as to make it (Shallow) seem cool.

Deep never stood a chance. :D
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
The Bible claims the mother of every person lived ca. 6,000 years ago, science suggests the mother of every person ( mitochondrial eve ) lived ca. 150,000 years ago.

If the Biblical creation account of 7 Creation Days from the formation of Earth to the creation of Adam and Eve is taken literally, then the Bible claims the Earth is ca. 6,000 years ago. Science suggests the Earth's geological age is ca. 4,54 billion years.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
The Bible claims the mother of every person lived ca. 6,000 years ago, science suggests the mother of every person ( mitochondrial eve ) lived ca. 150,000 years ago.

If the Biblical creation account of 7 Creation Days from the formation of Earth to the creation of Adam and Eve is taken literally, then the Bible claims the Earth is ca. 6,000 years ago. Science suggests the Earth's geological age is ca. 4,54 billion years.

No, those are claims made about the Bible.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
No, those are claims made about the Bible.

According to the Bible, 1,948 years elapsed from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham ( Genesis ) , then 529 years elapsed from Abraham's birth until the Ten Commandments were written ( Genesis 17:1-4) , ( Galatians 3:17). 480 years passed after this time until King Solomon's Temple was built during the fourth year of his rule in Jerusalem. ( 1 Kings 6:1 ) According to the Bible, Solomon ruled Israel for another 36 years afterwards, and several other kings ruled Jerusalem all together for 396 years after Solomon until the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC. ( Kings 1 and 2 )

The Bible claims Eve as the "mother of all the living." (Genesis 3:20)

Hence, the Biblical itself does suggest the mother of all living persons, Eve, dates back to ca. 6,000 years ago.
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
According to the Bible, 1,948 years elapsed from the creation of Adam until the birth of Abraham ( Genesis ) , then 529 years elapsed from Abraham's birth until the Ten Commandments were written ( Genesis 17:1-4) , ( Galatians 3:17). 480 years passed after this time until King Solomon's Temple was built during the fourth year of his rule in Jerusalem. ( 1 Kings 6:1 ) According to the Bible, Solomon ruled Israel for another 36 years afterwards, and several other kings ruled Jerusalem all together for 396 years after Solomon until the Babylonian siege of Jerusalem in 587 BC. ( Kings 1 and 2 )

The Bible claims Eve as the "mother of all the living." (Genesis 3:20)

Hence, the Biblical itself does suggest the mother of all living persons, Eve, dates back to ca. 6,000 years ago.

Yes, and that goes all the way back to Eden. Among those that consider it to have been real, there have been various suggestions for its location: at the head of the Persian Gulf, in southern Mesopotamia (now Iraq) where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers run into the sea; and in Armenia.

Not the beginning of man
 

Dell

Asteroid insurance?
A few years ago I decided to do some Bible investigation (study) into what the Bible say about the creation of our universe. I had just about enough on what Atheists and Muslims told me what they perceived the Bible said.
  • The Bible say the Sun was created after the Earth, yet science knows that the Sun is part of the Universe, and our solar system is 8 billion years younger than the galaxy we live in. Therefore, the Bible is wrong.
  • The Bible say that the Universe is only about 6 000 years old, and science knows this is a huge error. It can be as old as 12.5 to 18 billion years! If the Author of the Bible could not describe the creation to syncronize with what science knows today, he can not be the God who created it all.
Well, so the argument goes. Quite frankly, these arguments are valid!
I never found anyone that could answer these questions, except for perhaps Creationists that denies science and twist the understanding of the Creation description to fit in with science. Some might even attempt to twist scientific facts to fit in with the Bible.

I just wondered "What is the Facts"?
I realised that I had to go to Genesis to see for myself what the Bible says about the way God created everything.
And I was quite surprised at what I found, was totally different from what I always believed the Bible said. Today I am delighted to know that what science says, the Bible described 4 500 years ago to Moses.
Lets first recap what Genesis 1 says about the first 5 days.
The old earth theologian thrives to merge science into Genesis basically creating their own bible interpretation. If you can't keep the book of Genesis valid you basically create a domino effect of doctrine through the rest of the Bible, i.e the original sin, death, and the first Adam. The young earth theologian is interpreting the bible by letting the scriptures describe it as the way it was written 3000 years or so ago by who ever authored it. The creation event wasn't witnessed by the author and parts ssem to be borrowed from other middle eastern stories.. probably Egypt.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
But we *know* of cities (like Catal Huyuk) that have existed for 10,000 years, and evidence of humans going back 200,000 years. So even in the limited context of how long humans have been around, the Bible gives ages that are just contrary to the actual evidence.
Guess how science date Katal Hyuk and the other levant cities?
By C14 testing on charcoal and bones.
great, C14 testing actually proves the point that the atmosphere is very young.
But we will get to that soon. All I wanted to know from you is how did the Earth appear on the MORNING of day 3?
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
But we *know* of cities (like Catal Huyuk) that have existed for 10,000 years, and evidence of humans going back 200,000 years. So even in the limited context of how long humans have been around, the Bible gives ages that are just contrary to the actual evidence.
On the contrary, What "actual evidence" proves the Bible wrong?
C14 dating?
We will get to that in a while, but do not make assumptions if all the evidence was not looked at.
I dont even care if the scientists who dated Katal Hyuk were bias or not, their findings actually prove the Biblical description of the origins of the Earth.
Give this thread a bit more time, and you can critisize then.
In the meantime, play the deck with me and call my bluff.
 
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