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What does the Bible say about the origins of the Earth in relation to what science say?

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
Oh I see the world must fit your version of perfection otherwise God doesn't exist

No, perfection isn't necessary....... Do you accept that a perfect god spends his time creating idiotic humans running around killing each other? I'd prefer, let's say something of the nature of the Tao I suppose......
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Technically correct, hastily written. I would rephrase that in some way, although I have seen god referred to as the 'author' of what is included within the bible. Or god's 'word' is often used........

It's 'word of God'

From old English usage "What's the word of London", "the word of you town be"

It means news 'news of God'
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
No, perfection isn't necessary....... Do you accept that a perfect god spends his time creating idiotic humans running around killing each other? I'd prefer, let's say something of the nature of the Tao I suppose......

Without war can you imagine how big the worlds population would be. Standing room only
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
Where in the bible does claim the Earth is 6000 years old? I'll give you a clue no ****ing where

The 7day creation story in genesis is brilliant considering it's historical age. Find one contemporary and better

"Brilliant" you say? Hmmmm........ And define 'brilliant', do you include any reference to reality? Does it make any difference to you, or do you not accept that there is reality and that there is non-reality, fiction, made-up stuff for a purpose, etc...... Are you anti scientific by nature?
 

Faithofchristian

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A few years ago I decided to do some Bible investigation (study) into what the Bible say about the creation of our universe. I had just about enough on what Atheists and Muslims told me what they perceived the Bible said.
  • The Bible say the Sun was created after the Earth, yet science knows that the Sun is part of the Universe, and our solar system is 8 billion years younger than the galaxy we live in. Therefore, the Bible is wrong.
  • The Bible say that the Universe is only about 6 000 years old, and science knows this is a huge error. It can be as old as 12.5 to 18 billion years! If the Author of the Bible could not describe the creation to syncronize with what science knows today, he can not be the God who created it all.
Well, so the argument goes. Quite frankly, these arguments are valid!
I never found anyone that could answer these questions, except for perhaps Creationists that denies science and twist the understanding of the Creation description to fit in with science. Some might even attempt to twist scientific facts to fit in with the Bible.

I just wondered "What is the Facts"?
I realised that I had to go to Genesis to see for myself what the Bible says about the way God created everything.
And I was quite surprised at what I found, was totally different from what I always believed the Bible said. Today I am delighted to know that what science says, the Bible described 4 500 years ago to Moses.
Lets first recap what Genesis 1 says about the first 5 days.

If you had notice in Genesis 1:1--"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Ok, but notice it doesn't say when God created the heavens and the earth,
So when was the beginning ?

If you notice after earth there's a period.
Showing nothing more to be added.

Let's for say, that you wrote something and at the end of the sentence you put a period.
That means you have nothing more to say and nothing more to add.

Therefore "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Period
So it doesn't say when and nothing more to be added. Period
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
It's 'word of God'

From old English usage "What's the word of London", "the word of you town be"

It means news 'news of God'

Hmmm again, you are making some very discreet distinctions, esoteric if I may, but I fail to see the purpose. I'm not sure what you are saying..... Does not 'God' specifically say in the text that he is doing this and doing that?
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
Without war can you imagine how big the worlds population would be. Standing room only

Indeed, I'm watching as we 'intelligent' humans direct our own extinction. Exponential growth cannot be accommodated by finite resources is the conclusion of science...... we'll see shortly I think. Seems all haphazard, or un-created to my mind..... All cultures want to defend their imagined deities to the end is what I perceive, and are quite willing to kill their neighbors.
 

Darkforbid

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"Brilliant" you say? Hmmmm........ And define 'brilliant', do you include any reference to reality? Does it make any difference to you, or do you not accept that there is reality and that there is non-reality, fiction, made-up stuff for a purpose, etc...... Are you anti scientific by nature?

What? I love science
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Indeed, I'm watching as we 'intelligent' humans direct our own extinction. Exponential growth cannot be accommodated by finite resources is the conclusion of science...... we'll see shortly I think. Seems all haphazard, or un-created to my mind..... All cultures want to defend their imagined deities to the end is what I perceive, and are quite willing to kill their neighbors.

Your talking about progress driven by technology and science!
 

Darkforbid

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Hmmm again, you are making some very discreet distinctions, esoteric if I may, but I fail to see the purpose. I'm not sure what you are saying..... Does not 'God' specifically say in the text that he is doing this and doing that?

No its said of God
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
What? I love science

Evolution? You accept evolution as factual? It is the awkward questions that interest me. Such as 'why would a god create more than 4000 or 5000 species of beetles', not that it is our place to know, but lots of things written in the bible trouble me, such as god killing old people and infants, but that isn't the important thing. What seems important is to step back and look at a larger picture..... Each culture creates it's own god for a purpose, a cultural purpose which has worked for thousands of years, until the beginning of science, and the ability to know, not just imagine or guess. I think eventually anthropology could lead us to reality, unless we extinct ourselves first...... Or maybe 'god' will show up.
 

corynski

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Premium Member
Your talking about progress driven by technology and science!

Yes...... Within a framework of reality and non-reality. Nebulous concept progress, it depends upon your mind-set perhaps......

But, for example, if you were a 'god', would you create a world with two sexes?
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Genesis 1-3: And God said, 'Let there be light'. God said, god saw...... What are you saying?

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

I said of God, this is what they thought the order of creation was

There is the idea that it could also mean being/s of God
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

I said of God, this is what they thought the order of creation was

There is the idea that it could also mean being/s of God

You've lost me, I don't know what 'order of creation' means. I guessing now that you're saying it's not literal as written in the Bible, but rather figurative. Yes, I accept that, but it just confuses the issue. We could say yes, either god did or didn't really say that, but that is too confusing to me...... I would think a god would be very clear in speaking and writing, and would also simply 'show up' to prove existence.
 

Darkforbid

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You've lost me, I don't know what 'order of creation' means. I guessing now that you're saying it's not literal as written in the Bible, but rather figurative. Yes, I accept that, but it just confuses the issue. We could say yes, either god did or didn't really say that, but that is too confusing to me...... I would think a god would be very clear in speaking and writing, and would also simply 'show up' to prove existence.

God does not spoon feed knowledge
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
God does not spoon feed knowledge

Whatever that means..... Of course anything can be said of 'god', right, whatever you think or wish, but that isn't' the point to me. Have you noticed that every person can say something different about god, and they can believe in whatever god they create in their heads. My concern is with reality..... where is this 'god' who doesn't have a spoon in his hand? Where is any convincing evidence of a deity that people could agree upon and stop killing each other over religion? That's all I want to know.......
 

Darkforbid

Well-Known Member
Whatever that means..... Of course anything can be said of 'god', right, whatever you think or wish, but that isn't' the point to me. Have you noticed that every person can say something different about god, and they can believe in whatever god they create in their heads. My concern is with reality..... where is this 'god' who doesn't have a spoon in his hand? Where is any convincing evidence of a deity that people could agree upon and stop killing each other over religion? That's all I want to know.......

People kill each other over lots of things
 

corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
People kill each other over lots of things

Agreed, but killing over religion is very dominant, and very cultural. Immediately the 30 Year War in Europe comes to mind, Anglicans versus Protestants or someone. I grew up with Christopher Columbus myths..... a man supported by the church had no trouble killing and maiming non-christians. Or the christian removal of AmerIndians by Anglicans. Grim stuff..... I believe so and so, therefore I can do this and that. Isn't that what religion is all about?
 
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