Everyone Who Claims Homosexuality is a Sin is Bisexual

1213 · Jun 27, 2019

Hubert Farnsworth said:
...For instance, I could not choose to be attracted to men, even if I wanted to be. In the same way, a homosexual person could not choose to be attracted to the other gender if they wanted to be. A person who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual would understand this, which begs the question, why do so many Christians, especially pastors, claim that homosexuality is a choice?

So, from where does the “homosexuality” come from? Obviously, it cannot be inherited, so is there some other way than by learning/conditioning?

I think you could have been conditioned when you were child. Why else there would be so much pro homosexuality propaganda for kids?

JJ50 · Jun 27, 2019

There is NOTHING wrong with being gay anymore than there is anything wrong with being heterosexual, no one can help the skin they are in, and why should they? I would have no problem if any of our children had been gay.

Subduction Zone · Jun 27, 2019

1213 said:
So, from where does the “homosexuality” come from? Obviously, it cannot be inherited, so is there some other way than by learning/conditioning?

I think you could have been conditioned when you were child. Why else there would be so much pro homosexuality propaganda for kids?

What makes you think that it cannot be inherited? You do realize that there are two sexes, don't you?

And I am unaware of any propaganda. Perhaps you used the wrong term.

viole · Jun 27, 2019

1213 said:
So, from where does the “homosexuality” come from? Obviously, it cannot be inherited, so is there some other way than by learning/conditioning?

I think you could have been conditioned when you were child. Why else there would be so much pro homosexuality propaganda for kids?

Where does sterility comes from, in your opinion? If it cannot be inherited, obviously, then is there another way than by learning/conditioning?

Ciao

- viole

Rational Agnostic · Jun 27, 2019

1213 said:
So, from where does the “homosexuality” come from? Obviously, it cannot be inherited, so is there some other way than by learning/conditioning?

I think you could have been conditioned when you were child. Why else there would be so much pro homosexuality propaganda for kids?

LOLOLOLOL. This is the funniest response I've seen so far.

Skwim · Jun 27, 2019

Brickjectivity said:
Very logical but with an angry Carlin twist.

Why thank you.

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Father Heathen · Jun 27, 2019

Hubert Farnsworth said:
Watch him try to argue that consenting homosexuals are victims of themselves.

Or that it's "spiritually harmful", which is the go-to method of making benign things "bad."

Father Heathen · Jun 27, 2019

1213 said:
So, from where does the “homosexuality” come from? Obviously, it cannot be inherited, so is there some other way than by learning/conditioning?

I think you could have been conditioned when you were child. Why else there would be so much pro homosexuality propaganda for kids?

Scott C. · Jun 27, 2019

Hubert Farnsworth said:
Everyone who claims homosexuality is a sin must necessarily be bisexual. Here is why.

According to the traditional definitions of sin, sin must always involve a choice. Thus, the claim that attraction to the same sex is sinful implies that attraction to the same sex is a choice. But no one chooses who they are sexually attracted to. Nevertheless, people who are bisexual can choose to ignore one aspect of their sexuality, so that they can have the illusion of choice. This is why we see so many bisexual people claim to have "found Jesus," and "repent" of their homosexuality, and make the "choice" to be heterosexual. In reality, they are simply choosing to ignore the homosexual aspect of their sexuality and choose to only focus on the heterosexual aspect.

For people who are either 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual, sexual orientation is not a choice. For instance, I could not choose to be attracted to men, even if I wanted to be. In the same way, a homosexual person could not choose to be attracted to the other gender if they wanted to be. A person who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual would understand this, which begs the question, why do so many Christians, especially pastors, claim that homosexuality is a choice? I think that the only logical answer is that bisexuality is fairly commonplace in the population, and likely even more common among Christian pastors.

So, since our conclusion implies bisexuality is likely much more common in Christian pastors than in the rest of the population, we should encourage these pastors to celebrate their bisexuality, rather than trying to mask it in homophobic preaching. A study has already confirmed that homophobic men who claim to be heterosexual have measurable responses of arousal to gay porn, while non-homophobic heterosexual men do not. See this study, which verifies my ideas. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI

I disagree with the conclusion that "Everybody who thinks homosexuality is a sin is bisexual." A better conclusion would be "Everybody who thinks sexual orientation is a choice, is bisexual." I don't agree with that conclusion either, but at least I see how you're getting there from your analysis. You have to remember that there are a lot of people who don't believe that sexual orientation is a choice, but who believe that acting upon that orientation is a choice.

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

Skwim said:
Just to be clear here, the Bible doesn't consider homosexual attraction or orientation to be sinful, only acting upon that attraction: engaging in homosexual activities.

My question is, if being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex is not a sin, why should the mere act of touching pee pees send god into such a tizzy that he consigns two people to hell? Just what is it about making the merest physical contact with someone of the same sex to whom one is sexually attracted to so godawful abhorrent? Where does the innate wrongness reside?

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It's precisely because they weren't aware of sexual orientation. Everybody to them was just "naturally" attracted to the opposite sex. Therefore, doing homosexual acts (and just the men, mind you -- this is important) was acting "unnaturally," which was seen as sin.

Additionally, in that culture, shame and honor were embedded in sexual identity. Men embodied honor and women embodied shame. So for a man to treat an equal man as if he were a lesser woman was a dishonorable act. And for a man to "bend over and take it like a woman" was also a shameful act.

Had the shame/honor thing not been in effect, and had they been aware of sexual orientation, they may not have written the injunctions prohibiting the touching of pee pees.

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

KenS said:
I think someone forgot to tell that to Sy Rogers what was a homosexual and now isn't, happily married and moving forward with his faith.

Sy Rogers | Ex-gayTruth.com

And for every ONE of these testimonials, I can give you MANY testimonials of people who have been screwed over emotionally by gay reparation "therapy," who are suicidal, who suffer PTSD, who suffer chronic and acute anxiety. There's a valid reason why the mental health profession took homosexuality out of the DSM, and why they condemn reparative "therapy."

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

dianaiad said:
Most of us are quite aware that being homosexual is not sinful any more than being heterosexual is. The sin lies, not in who one is attracted to, but what one does about it.

If the belief system says that sex outside marriage bonds is sinful, then homosexual sex outside marriage bonds is sinful. No more, and no less, than heterosexual sex outside marriage bonds is sinful. If your belief system accepts homosexual marriage, then the same rules apply to homosexuals as to heterosexuals. Sex outside marriage bonds is sinful.

If your belief system does not accept homosexual marriage, then...well, sex outside marriage bonds is sinful. It's very hard on the homosexual, but that IS a choice.

Unless you want to claim that homosexual desires are so much stronger than heterosexual ones, that it is impossible to resist having sex with someone you are attracted to, if that someone is the same sex you are? I do hope you aren't suggesting that. I don't know any gay person who would agree with that, personally. Gay people are not less moral, less ethical, or more compelled to have sex than straight people, after all, are they?

No...perhaps one is not in charge of who one is attracted to.

But we ARE in complete charge of what we do about it.

That's very easy for you to say, and it smacks of entitlement.

The sin lies in dehumanizing some in favor of misapprehended and outdated cultural mores. To deny someone her or his ability to express love physically, to deny someone the intimacy to which every human being is entitled, to shame them by calling their identity "sin," is to separate them from society and to make them "less than" everyone else. That is dehumanizing and it's a form of violence. No, it's not impossible to resist the sex act, but why should they be expected to do that? Fact is, homosexual marriage is a legal thing in this country, and religions simply don't have any say in that matter. Fact is, these people are as fully human as you, with all the rights and privileges you have. Fact is, God doesn't have a problem with their sexual activity; YOU do.

No, Gay people are not less moral, less ethical, or less human than you or I. And they should be allowed the ability to physically express their love exactly the same as you and I do, without fear of reprisal.

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

SugarOcean said:
Because Christianity in the NT and Judaism's OT state that homosexuality and even Transgender, (a man that dresses as a woman is an abomination), are sins. In the OT those were sins worthy of death.

You're wrong. The bible does not state that homosexuality is a sin. Do you know why the bible states that the homosexual act is sin? If not, it'd be a good thing for you to find out, yes?

Cooky · Jun 27, 2019

Hubert Farnsworth said:
Everyone who claims homosexuality is a sin must necessarily be bisexual. Here is why.

According to the traditional definitions of sin, sin must always involve a choice. Thus, the claim that attraction to the same sex is sinful implies that attraction to the same sex is a choice. But no one chooses who they are sexually attracted to. Nevertheless, people who are bisexual can choose to ignore one aspect of their sexuality, so that they can have the illusion of choice. This is why we see so many bisexual people claim to have "found Jesus," and "repent" of their homosexuality, and make the "choice" to be heterosexual. In reality, they are simply choosing to ignore the homosexual aspect of their sexuality and choose to only focus on the heterosexual aspect.

For people who are either 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual, sexual orientation is not a choice. For instance, I could not choose to be attracted to men, even if I wanted to be. In the same way, a homosexual person could not choose to be attracted to the other gender if they wanted to be. A person who is 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual would understand this, which begs the question, why do so many Christians, especially pastors, claim that homosexuality is a choice? I think that the only logical answer is that bisexuality is fairly commonplace in the population, and likely even more common among Christian pastors.

So, since our conclusion implies bisexuality is likely much more common in Christian pastors than in the rest of the population, we should encourage these pastors to celebrate their bisexuality, rather than trying to mask it in homophobic preaching. A study has already confirmed that homophobic men who claim to be heterosexual have measurable responses of arousal to gay porn, while non-homophobic heterosexual men do not. See this study, which verifies my ideas. Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal? - PubMed - NCBI

Well slap me in the *** and call me Sally!

Hawkins · Jun 27, 2019

It's simple. If law says that it's a crime, then it is.

Scientists are still in research of what it is. It means that we don't actually know what it is. God's law on the other hand is absolute (for the sake of argument, let's start with the assumption that God exists). Law determines whether He would accept you into His eternal realm.

So at least before we can confirm what it is, it's better to behave as humans did in the past couple thousand years. You can look for cure or living a low profile life, then repent. If people in the past couple thousand years can do so, so can you. It's God who does the final judgment.

Road Less Traveled · Jun 27, 2019

sojourner said:
You're wrong. The bible does not state that homosexuality is a sin. Do you know why the bible states that the homosexual act is sin? If not, it'd be a good thing for you to find out, yes?

Correct me if I’m inaccurate, but there was not even a word in any language for ‘homosexual’ or ‘homosexuality’ back in the times the ‘script’ was alleged to be written.

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

Hawkins said:
It's simple. If law says that it's a crime, then it is.

Scientists are still in research of what it is. It means that we don't actually know what it is. God's law on the other hand is absolute (for the sake of argument, let's start with the assumption that God exists). Law determines whether He would accept you into His eternal realm.

So at least before we can confirm what it is, it's better to behave as humans did in the past couple thousand years. You can look for cure or living a low profile life, then repent. If people in the past couple thousand years can do so, so can you. It's God who does the final judgment.

Yes! Let's live as humans did in the past couple thousand years! Let's enslave others, beat down our women, be racially and culturally bigoted, allow men to beat their wives (plural) and kids, forego proper nutrition and personal hygiene, and live under a social paradigm where all are not created equal, and few have inalienable rights. Let's do that!

Let's live in a world where the earth is flat, where ghosts carry our souls away in the wee hours, where we can appease the corn gods by throwing people into volcanoes and affect the weather by dancing. Let's go back to the days of alleviating depression through bloodletting.

Let's go back to the days when food was scarce, and people died young from smallpox, measles, diptheria and other diseases. If they did it, we can too!

If "God's law is absolute," why are we eating shellfish and wearing 50/50 cotton/poly shirts, and playing with leather balls? If "God's law is absolute," why don't you understand what it's really saying about homosexuality and homosexual activity?

What a frickin' crock o' crap!

sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

Road Less Traveled said:
Correct me if I’m inaccurate, but there was not even a word in any language for ‘homosexual’ or ‘homosexuality’ back in the times the ‘script’ was alleged to be written.

There was no Hebrew or Greek word for "homosexual." Words we like to translate as such actually have different shades of meaning than that.

Skwim · Jun 27, 2019

sojourner said:
It's precisely because they weren't aware of sexual orientation. Everybody to them was just "naturally" attracted to the opposite sex. Therefore, doing homosexual acts (and just the men, mind you -- this is important) was acting "unnaturally," which was seen as sin.

Romans 1:24-26 KJV
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

AND

Romans 1:24-26 ERV
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way. And so they became completely immoral and used their bodies in shameful ways with each other. 25 They traded the truth of God for a lie. They bowed down and worshiped the things God made instead of worshiping the God who made those things. He is the one who should be praised forever. Amen.

26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women.

Had the shame/honor thing not been in effect, and had they been aware of sexual orientation, they may not have written the injunctions prohibiting the touching of pee pees.

Excuse me, I thought the idea of homosexual sin was god's idea.

Leviticus 18:1, 22
18 The Lord said to Moses, . . . 22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!

So are you saying that god was unaware of sexual orientation? Hardly an omniscient god, if you ask me.

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sojourner · Jun 27, 2019

Skwim said:
Excuse me, I thought the idea of homosexual sin was god's idea.

Leviticus 18:1, 22
18 The Lord said to Moses, . . . 22 “Men, you must not have sexual relations with another man as with a woman. That is a terrible sin!
So are you saying that god was unaware of sexual orientation? Hardly an omniscient god, if you ask me.

So, if we could control ourselves and not turn this into a cheap God-bashing for a moment I’d appreciate it.

I don’t think “God wrote it.” That’s a disingenuous way of looking at the texts. People wrote it, and the people who wrote it wrote what they thought was best, according to their knowledge and mores.

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